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03-05-2011 , 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by atakdog

TimeLady still scary good. Several people either misread the question or get a great big "Wat?"

If you don't play the games, you really have no idea. I hoped it was some awesome huge game that went on for a couple of weeks.

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03-05-2011 , 10:24 PM

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Question 5: Indeed, big time Red Wings fans had the upper hand here (and we definitely had a couple playing in this one).

What if you didn't recognize him. Well, there are some clues to come close:

See that "C" on his jersey? Captain. Probably a top player. Plus I put him in the quiz, so it's a good bet he's either really good or I think he's recognizable.

On the other hand, great hocket players are often known more for assists than goals, so even over the course of twentyish years, maybe "The Captain", "Stevie Y", the second-greatest (at least) Red Wing ever, Steve Yzerman, didn't score that many times?

Well, kinda-sorta. It's "just" 692.

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03-05-2011 , 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OutKicked

For Oingo Boingo, I didn't recognize the album but know a lot about music so I assumed that whoever it was didn't spend much time on the charts or I would know who it was.

My thought process exactly. I was preparing to be way off when I opened the thread and it turned out to be a hugely popular album that I for some reason didn't know. Glad to see it wasn't so I can save the embarassment for other questions.

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03-05-2011 , 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

If you don't play the games, you really have no idea. I hoped it was some awesome huge game that went on for a couple of weeks.

It actually was both of those things. But in those days, games were way smaller even when they were big, if that makes sense.

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03-05-2011 , 10:26 PM

#30

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Yzerman is one of the few hockey players I recognize.

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03-05-2011 , 10:27 PM

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Last.

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03-05-2011 , 10:27 PM

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Yzerman's 692 goals put him eighth all time, while Dwetzel's Wings fandom gets him a great score exceeded only by master's perfect zero.

Question 5	Guess	Raw	Scaled	Cumulative
younguns87	250	0.442	30	92.9
YetioDoom	400	0.238	19.51	67.37
TheDean1	420	0.217	17.77	67.89
eyebooger	450	0.187	15.32	71.18
TimeLady	500	0.141	11.57	23
aaronk56	500	0.141	11.57	59.59
kwami42	515	0.128	10.52	50.84
pwnsall	537	0.11	9.03	50.79
sportsjefe	630	0.041	3.34	36.25
fredericksburg	683	0.006	0.47	34.28
Correct Answer	692
master3004	692	0	0	38.35
Dwetzel	693	0.001	0.05	41.01
PlzBeALevel	700	0.005	0.41	42.77
derwipok	701	0.006	0.46	56.83
kokiri	750	0.035	2.87	42.92
CieloAzor	751	0.036	2.91	36.49
OutKicked	850	0.089	7.32	32.6
NumberSix	1200	0.239	19.6	41.13
kioshk	1250	0.257	21.05	55.87

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03-05-2011 , 10:28 PM

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I knew it was atak's first game so I could place it roughly in time line and I knew roughly that those games only ran to like 2k tops if it went on until f3 and so 1st only had a couple hundred posts

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03-05-2011 , 10:29 PM

#34

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Back in ten or fifteen — 'pup just called.

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03-05-2011 , 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by atakdog

It actually was both of those things. But in those days, games were way smaller even when they were big, if that makes sense.

You'd also have to know when the game was -- which, well, is kind of impossible to tell.

Moment of glory approaching though. Onward and upward! (I'm actually ashamed to have "missed" it.)

Last edited by DWetzel; 03-05-2011 at 10:29 PM. Reason: And... moment of glory passed. Carry on!

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03-05-2011 , 10:30 PM

#36

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Total shot in the dark there, I know from m1ke in skypechat that hockey isn't especially high scoring and I knew the top hockey dude ever had ~950 so 500 seemed a good guess

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03-05-2011 , 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeLady

Total shot in the dark there, I know from m1ke in skypechat that hockey isn't especially high scoring and I knew the top hockey dude ever had ~950 so 500 seemed a good guess

500 is pretty much the standard "Hall of Famer" number for goals (like 3,000 hits in baseball, basically), so was a fine guess. (Of course, if suitably evil, he'd have thrown a picture of a goon like Joe Kocur up there to mess with people's heads, sort of the Oingo Boingo of hockey players.)

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03-05-2011 , 10:34 PM

#38

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Hockey scoring is a complete mystery to me.

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03-05-2011 , 10:38 PM

#39

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A guess from me too (but a much luckier one

). I figured it was probably someone who had scored a lot of goals but knew it wasn't Gretzky, Howe or Hull so just guessed a bit less than them.

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03-05-2011 , 10:49 PM

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I think that hockey question is a good illustration of why scores should be scaled by question. If I'd just used ratios, someone guessing 500 or 1000, which are pretty much median scores, would get only a 1.4, and master and DW would hardly have been rewarded for nailing it.

Next question coming right up.

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03-05-2011 , 10:50 PM

#41

younguns87

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im pretty sure a 5 yr old could do better than me

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03-05-2011 , 10:51 PM

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Question 6: I assume literally everyone knew it was the Washington Monument. But the pictorial aspect does do one thing, maybe: it shows the rough size of the stone blocks that compose it. Maybe that would be enough to help guessers work it out that the 555 foot, 5 inch obelisk was made with "only" 36,491 stones?

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03-05-2011 , 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by atakdog

I think the ratio method is better for a more "guessing" feel to the contest, while the method you're using is better if you want a more trivia feel to it (where "knowing" the answer is inherently a lot more valuable). The downside to the log method is that you have little chance against someone who knows three or four answers cold.

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03-05-2011 , 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by atakdog

Doh.

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03-05-2011 , 10:53 PM

#45

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uhhhh

may have shot a bit under here

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03-05-2011 , 10:54 PM

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Fredericksburg and number 6 use this one to gain some ground on TL, while pwnsall benefits substantially by the no-score-greater-than-30 cutoff (22 million stones is a lot of stones):

Question 6	Guess	Raw	Scaled	Cumulative
TimeLady	10000	0.562	7.53	30.53
kokiri	17500	0.319	4.27	47.2
OutKicked	19000	0.283	3.8	36.39
eyebooger	30000	0.085	1.14	72.32
fredericksburg	32827	0.046	0.62	34.9
Correct Answer	36491
NumberSix	42000	0.061	0.82	41.95
YetioDoom	50000	0.137	1.83	69.2
kioshk	60000	0.216	2.89	58.76
kwami42	75000	0.313	4.19	55.03
master3004	79895	0.34	4.56	42.91
aaronk56	100000	0.438	5.86	65.45
Dwetzel	250000	0.836	11.19	52.2
CieloAzor	260001	0.853	11.42	47.91
PlzBeALevel	450000	1.091	14.61	57.38
derwipok	467863	1.108	14.84	71.67
sportsjefe	500000	1.137	15.22	51.47
TheDean1	800000	1.341	17.96	85.85
younguns87	6111000	2.224	29.78	122.68
pwnsall	22963500	2.799	30	80.79

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03-05-2011 , 10:54 PM

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damn, i'm getting rocked here.

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03-05-2011 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

True (your second point), but most guesstimanias don't have a lot of cold-knowable answers. (This one's a bit different; I definitely would not have included the Yzerman question, for example, on a straight guesstimania.)

Capping scores is important for keeping people in it even after one bad guess, regardless how you do it, but if we're talking hunt for first place than yes, my method favors those who can absolutely nail a couple.

We'll see who it turns out...

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03-05-2011 , 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by atakdog

True (your second point), but most guesstimanias don't have a lot of cold-knowable answers. (This one's a bit different; I definitely would not have included the Yzerman question, for example, on a straight guesstimania.)

Capping scores is important for keeping people in it even after one bad guess, regardless how you do it, but if we're talking hunt for first place than yes, my method favors those who can absolutely nail a couple.

We'll see who it turns out...

Definitely to the bolded. Otherwise it's too easy to make the game unplayable except by freaks or masochists.