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02-17-2009 , 07:21 PM
ill fill u guys in on my day 1 reads:

I focused on ppl w/ few posts, and not on the guys who had 12+ posts on day 1.

Twitch1977: Comes out premo. Regrets it: changes vote. Seemes like a nice guy, but might be a pawn of experienced wolves (as a decoy, or as an excuse to balance wolf votes). I'm leanning villager, though I find it weird that any1 would actually vote for him (besides a wolf). So I looked at the ppl who voted for him:

instantly: also a noob it seemes. Randomly votes for twitch, even though there is little momentum IMO. (#167) Possible wolf vote.

Larissa: votes twitch for no reason, as said by Luckay (#259) looks noob wolf.

CalledDownLight: post #180 looked like he is experienced (take my perception fwiw ) yet he refrained from any controversy throughout the day 1. Leanning wolf.

John Voight: not a wolf

Mainly I tried to look at guys that werent really discussed that much itt.

Also, I think wolves will likely be first to push votes, as well as be bandwaggon guys, b/c it balances their range that way IMO.
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02-17-2009 , 07:21 PM
/// TO MOD: KK should have 2 votes as of now, larissa also voted KK.


really going out to get food now, when I get back I have another post about why we shouldn't lynch LL
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02-17-2009 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
bernieshaw is making some points I don't agree with, particularly his justification for lynching luckay. It doesn't matter if YOU are right nor not bernie. Its more important if we are right. It often takes wrongful accusations to clear a villager. I thought luckay was a good lynch yesterday. Today he is a worse lynch than all but maybe 2-3 people.

Right now, I don't see much difference between what I want and what the village wants. I've already laid out my thinking: I (and I suspect many others) have thinking all based around LL being a wolf. The longer that question goes unanswered, the more that A) he gets to lead the wolves (if he is in fact a wolf), many of whom are new at being wolves, and B) those of us basing our lists on LL being the lead stay in a "holding pattern". To me, knowing this key question about LL will put many on the right track, even if LL turns out to be a villager. At least it frees up all the energy I and others are putting into "the LL is leader theory".
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02-17-2009 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
Villagers care about finding wolves. Wolves care about what people will think about what they say.

If you're a villager, just post your thoughts and don't worry about it.
which shows LL is obviously not reading my posts and just making wild accusations about me being a wolf which is silly. I dont even feel i should need to say anything in my defense but if he was a villager he would have at least thought about what i have said and not just started accusing me of being a wolf.
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02-17-2009 , 07:27 PM
those arent wild accusations though they are coming from someone who is playing with complete information.

LYNCH LUCKAYLUCK
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02-17-2009 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bernieshaw
Right now, I don't see much difference between what I want and what the village wants. I've already laid out my thinking: I (and I suspect many others) have thinking all based around LL being a wolf. The longer that question goes unanswered, the more that A) he gets to lead the wolves (if he is in fact a wolf), many of whom are new at being wolves, and B) those of us basing our lists on LL being the lead stay in a "holding pattern". To me, knowing this key question about LL will put many on the right track, even if LL turns out to be a villager. At least it frees up all the energy I and others are putting into "the LL is leader theory".
Once we lynch any of the three people I've suggested (but primarily BRIAN or JOPKE), I believe you'll be able to trust me.
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02-17-2009 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Source158
those arent wild accusations though they are coming from someone who is playing with complete information.

LYNCH LUCKAYLUCK
Can you elaborate on how I have complete information?
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02-17-2009 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeTurd
Q,

I actually thought that was brian's most villagery post so far. Which isn't saying all that much, but still...

Also, wolf wagons sometimes surge extra fast if wolves feel one of them has been caught out and they feel the need to throw on some bussing votes to look good later. Or if they're really cocky they'll be leveling by throwing on votes to make it seem like the wagon is moving too fast. Meaning that I still feel pretty good about my ratman vote.
I don't think I've ever seen something good come from "whoa, that wagon moved to fast". I wish villagers would stop saying it so wolves would have to stop saying it.
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02-17-2009 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Can you elaborate on how I have complete information?
you are SURE of things
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02-17-2009 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Source158
you are SURE of things
Complete information implies that I'm right, doesn't it?
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02-17-2009 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Once we lynch any of the three people I've suggested (but primarily BRIAN or JOPKE), I believe you'll be able to trust me.
So if we lynch brian tonight and he comes back villager then you're essentially naming yourself a wolf and you should be next to go? How certain of this read are you? If you're willing to make this claim I'd be much more willing to lynch brian since I think determining where LL lies is the key to this game.

However failing that I'd need more than brian's one liners as reason to lynch him.

T
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02-17-2009 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Seers:

Do not view Source, Brian, or Jopke - you will waste a view - they are all wolves.

Village:

Lynch any one of those three today.
masons
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02-17-2009 , 07:34 PM
Corrected and updated:

[ 0 ] AndrewGreve
[ 1 ] bernieshaw voted for LuckayLuck
[ 1 ] brian0721 voted for ZeTurd
[ 0 ] CalledDownLight voted for Quadstriker
[ 0 ] DoubleD
[ 0 ] ElliotR voted for LarissaRose
[ 0 ] getterdone36
[ 1 ] housenuts voted for Tom1975
[ 0 ] instantly
[ 0 ] JDalla voted for kkcountry
[ 0 ] Joe Butch voted for ZeTurd
[ 0 ] john voight
[ 0 ] JopkeAccount voted for LuckayLuck
[ 2 ] kkcountry voted for brian0721
[ 1 ] LarissaRose voted for kkcountry
[ 0 ] lucid75
[ 4 ] LuckayLuck
[ 0 ] manupod
[ 0 ] mused01
[ 0 ] Newport Smoov voted for housenuts
[ 0 ] norseman1066
[ 1 ] Quadstriker
[ 0 ] Source158 voted for LuckayLuck
[ 0 ] subandi voted for bernieshaw
[ 0 ] Sun Tzu
[ 0 ] tarheeljks
[ 1 ] Tom1975 voted for LuckayLuck
[ 0 ] Twitch1977
[ 2 ] ZeTurd
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02-17-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Twitch1977
So if we lynch brian tonight and he comes back villager then you're essentially naming yourself a wolf and you should be next to go? How certain of this read are you? If you're willing to make this claim I'd be much more willing to lynch brian since I think determining where LL lies is the key to this game.

However failing that I'd need more than brian's one liners as reason to lynch him.

T
Brian's first one liner was wolfy; however, the thing that convinces me of Brian's guilt is my attack on Jopke (which you can see prominently in the thread). Jopke has been backed against the wall completely in full defense and BELIEVES that I will attack Jopke and Brian until the end of the game. This is a wolf mentality. In a moment of extreme fear, he chose to FIGHT in the primal human response of FIGHT vs FLIGHT.


How sure am I?

95%. That's pretty high. On BOTH Jopke and Brian.
85% on Source, which is also very high.
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02-17-2009 , 07:35 PM
[vote Brian] have been but the vote tally lost my vote
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02-17-2009 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bernieshaw
Day 1:

Dear Wife:

My first day in the village, and it has been a difficult one. It is a wrong time to be a strange face, as paranoia runs rampant. I see the lingering stares as people try to see evil in me. Twice I have been accused of being an old village hand, when I`ve never stepped foot in this region before.

What to do when all are looking for someone to blame for the latest evil that plagues this land? My first instinct was to stay indoors, shun everyone, and gaze only at the floor. But it is not my way. My mind is too inquisitive and demanding to stand idly by while danger threatens my life and those around me. On the advice of some elders, I was told to speak up and help solve the membership of the werewolf infestation - even as a stranger -assured that this would be helpful to this new village and myself. But I find their advice wanting, for it has only brought an abnormal amount of suspicion upon me. Those who stood silently by are not even spoken of, while murmurs of my name pass from ear to ear. I feel ire building towards me. I am frustrated because my willingness to help is taken as trickery.

There are many new faces in the village, and we all seek the guidance of the elders in this time of great fear. But I worry. I see how easily the elders can overtake our will and make us subservient to themselves ? and perhaps to their werewolf clan.

Accusations are building as nightfall approaches. I do not know if I fear being hanged by my own kind any less than the gruesome death by teeth and claw. If I am to die tonight, know that I fully believe that LuckayLuck was truly the leader of those that would destroy us all. But am I too seeing evil in the face of innocence? I fear him because if he proves to be more animal than man, he would be much too powerful in this village to be stopped.

I seem to have made an acquaintance in a fellow named Quadstriker. So far I am compelled to listen to him careful and consider his advice. I believe him to be one of humankind, and want to believe he can be trusted. How foolish will I be if he leads me to my demise?

I do not any more now than I did at the start of the day.

I wish I was a more honorable man, and that I only want to hang a wolf by his collar tonight. But I am a lesser man. I only wish to survive until dawn, even if an innocent must die.

Yours truly,

Bernie
Bernie is really weird. Some of his posts gave me doubts (since my previous read of him as villager), but I'm sticking with villager.

Nice post, bernie.
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02-17-2009 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Brian's first one liner was wolfy; however, the thing that convinces me of Brian's guilt is my attack on Jopke (which you can see prominently in the thread). Jopke has been backed against the wall completely in full defense and BELIEVES that I will attack Jopke and Brian until the end of the game. This is a wolf mentality. In a moment of extreme fear, he chose to FIGHT in the primal human response of FIGHT vs FLIGHT.


How sure am I?

95%. That's pretty high. On BOTH Jopke and Brian.
85% on Source, which is also very high.
Based on this I would not be opposed to lynching brian with an auto-lynch vote the following day going to LL if brian comes by viallager. brian's input seems slim anyhow.

T
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02-17-2009 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JopkeAccount
Yea, I'm willing to bet that brian0721 is a villager.
yes

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Originally Posted by Tom1975
I"m keeping bernie near the top of my wolf list.
no
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02-17-2009 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Re yesterday: Generally, people don't listen to me as much as I gathered people were listening to me on d1. Hence, I didn't do as much of the voting that I usually do because my reads would be thrown off by how many people agree with me. Groupthink, etc.


Today, I am not afraid of pushing BRIAN, JOPKE, and SOURCE because I am right.
yeah you are RIGHT

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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Complete information implies that I'm right, doesn't it?
wtf is this ****?
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02-17-2009 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by atakdog
Through 639:

[ 0 ] AndrewGreve
[ 1 ] bernieshaw voted for LuckayLuck
[ 1 ] brian0721 voted for ZeTurd
[ 0 ] CalledDownLight voted for Quadstriker
[ 0 ] DoubleD
[ 0 ] ElliotR voted for LarissaRose
[ 0 ] getterdone36
[ 1 ] housenuts voted for Tom1975
[ 0 ] instantly
[ 0 ] JDalla voted for kkcountry
[ 0 ] Joe Butch voted for ZeTurd
[ 0 ] john voight
[ 0 ] JopkeAccount voted for LuckayLuck
[ 1 ] kkcountry voted for brian0721
[ 1 ] LarissaRose
[ 0 ] lucid75
[ 3 ] LuckayLuck
[ 0 ] manupod
[ 0 ] mused01
[ 0 ] Newport Smoov voted for housenuts
[ 0 ] norseman1066
[ 1 ] Quadstriker
[ 0 ] Source158
[ 0 ] subandi voted for bernieshaw
[ 0 ] Sun Tzu
[ 0 ] tarheeljks
[ 1 ] Tom1975 voted for LuckayLuck
[ 0 ] Twitch1977
[ 2 ] ZeTurd
I've had my vote on Brian since post 563.
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02-17-2009 , 07:44 PM
you guys are making a big mistake and its gonna come back to kill the village if we go luckay today.
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02-17-2009 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
want thoughts on:

quad
newport
Regarding this; I'm more then willing to answer whatever I gotta answer to clear this up. Not just because it's me, but with all the later-day posting going on I honestly feel that, even if I get lynched, my interactions with the village so far won't reveal much.

On a lighter note, finally home from work! No more having to comb through posts on my Blackberry and dealing with idiot customers wanting to know where Sears is. Gonna reread everything then post my thoughts (and, apparently, try to seem less wolfy with my posts. Incidentally, what is it about my posts that make me sound wolfy, so I can stop.)
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02-17-2009 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Source158
Great so we voted to lynch a seer. I guess he was just really bad at playing
the game? He Voted for someone we obviously didnt want to lose which got
a bandwagon behind him. But since he did get lynched we should look
at who bandwagoned him(which is also me unfortunately).

LuckayLuck was the first
ZeTurd
Quadstriker
Newport Smoov
Tom1975
SOurce158
kkcountry
mused01 Last

LuckayLuck was saying noone who has read everything should see him as a wolf.
Which I now think looks really like a wolf. And he decided to vote Ratman
after he attacked him. I think Ratman did this because Luckay had been
leading all day trying to get wagons started. If you look he voted for
like 5 people yesterday. It seems as if he was just trying to get anyone
lynched and though none of his first votes had good merit(except larrissa)
his last seemed like a good one to get people on a wagon and it worked.
Honestly though now that I have thought about it he still may not be a wolf
but the others I mention very well could be. Once they saw someone he voted for that they and had a semi good reason for it they wagoned it(that i happened to jump on).

So I think from this list of people that voted for Ratman we can discover
some wolves. I dont believe ZeTurd and Quad to be them. I think Luckay(possible), Newport, Tom, kkc, and mused are up my list now.

Elliot, I voted you first because I wanted to get some other villagers
thoughts on the matter. But after seeing you had unvoted on your
bandwagon I think I had jumped to soon to that conlusion.

to look at for Wolves
Newport Smoov
Tom1975
kkcountry
mused01
larissa
luckayluck
Bernie

Villagers
Manupod
JopkeAccount
Bernieshaw
brian0721(I dont think a wolf would act like that even though it ridiculous)
Seers often act wolfy because they are nervous and have something to hide. Seers get lynched day 1 more often than rand().
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02-17-2009 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
Today, I am not afraid of pushing BRIAN, JOPKE, and SOURCE because I am right.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Source158
yeah you are RIGHT
wat?
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02-17-2009 , 07:47 PM
sun, when you gonna get back to me on the point from earlier?

also, i'd suggest the people who haven't played before listen to those who have until you get the hang of it. So far the people who have come up with evidence to support a case are: me, luckay, and sun has done so quietly.
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