We have to give it time to resolve itself. The wolves killed officedog for some reason. In order of likelihood, those are
1. They thought officedog peeked OTI villager.
2. They thought officedog peeked sixfour wolf. And OTI would get to fps.
3. OTI is a villager and sixfour is a wolf, and they don't know which officedog peeked, but they thought officedog was seer.
4. Sixfour is villa and OTI the wolf thought it would be some fun fps.

There's lots of trouble with 4.
A. The biggest problem is we have 2 peeks/night. If the wolves fool around, this game could be a village lock in an instant.
B. OTI isn't cleared forever. When the game gets late, if OTI is the wolfiest player, he'll get lynched.

But we have to give it time. A bunch of stuff has to happen before OTI can be a lynch candidate. So he's off limits today. Much like a claimed seer peek would be.

D2 read of Scrubbo

First one to point out both of Chatters questionable posts.
Interactions with Andrex seem w/v
Votes 64 late D2 bring the wagon within 1.

So far villager reads from Scrubbo
Wahoo
sixfour

Less so
Chatter

even less
Andrex

Do you not read before you post?

i think have but i think you died v early in them... like lynched d1 or nk n1 etc.

i am somewhat inclined to call you a villa now because of your tone in this post... however, im not going to because i can definitely give you credit for doing your eod3 agro-actions (asking for wagons on random people) as a 3rd or 4th level wolf.

demoted to neutral... but if i were the seer, id peek you tonight.

This too. I haven't done my own G reread, but I endorse the view that his peeks were OTI and Scrubbo.

The wolves could not afford to kill somebody who couldn't be the seer last night.

Well good thing you are not seer.

That would be ******ed considering the last 2 days NK's

actually if any seer peeks me tonight I will consider it a pretty epic fail

OTI, are you using my notes post? It has post #s for scrubbo.

"give a pass" and "being able to clear" are two completely different things iyam.

No im using Control-F.

but now that I've already done D 1-2 that might be a solid idea

ok let me get this straight.

You are more likely to clear a player when a wolf gives him a 2 vote lead with over an hour left than a player who has had 2 nk's caused because of him being "peeked" villager and also was one of the people trying to get Scrubbo lunched yesterday?

You are seriously not as smart as I gave you credit for.

a seer peeking OTI tonight would be epically bad

okay... i have a list of 10 wolf suspects now and most likely 4 of them are the wolves:

suspects:

- bird
- chatter/ll
- djstu
- guinnes/(norse subbed in so we'll give him time to post)
- kokiri
- lc
- buttons
- nich
- 64
- wdc

as a matter of fact...

nich's inactivity probably means he's a wolf too. in the last game i played with him (might have been BSG... not 100% sure, but it was a slow game iirc), he was a villa and was mostly active, giving lots of strategy posts and reads.

this game, he's no where to be found. it's sort of like, in the last game with him, i noticed him in the thread. but this game, i dont notice him at all.

villagers:
bsball
OTI
andrex puppy
aao
wahoo

not so much:
birdman
LC
chips
djs

nicholas is giving me weird vibes too though I think he's likely a villager

i wasnt being serious with my comment... i was waiting for a comment.

aaand, i got what i was looking for.

ty.

imo Nich is a villager and I won't be voting him any time soon.

His particiapation is very strange and doesn't seem to be very role dependent.

However if something doesn't happen soon he will probably need to be lynched.

Ok good to hear.

I really didn't want to have to get you lynched for acting like a wolf.

explain pls? did he say he'd be busy or inactive or something?

i think he's an above average ww player so id like to give him more credit than just a "utr = >wolf and active = >villa" read.... but it just doesnt seem like the nich i played with b4.

for the third straight day, wdcbooks voted for someone with 1 or 2 votes.

idn he made up a case on me that seemed kind of contrived. then he left the vote on me and didn't change even though it was clear that i wasn't going to be a wagon.

me too.

im glad i cleared your role up now.


question:

does the fact that the wolves have failed to nk either of the seers mean that they are inexperienced at seer hunting?

does this mean there is a more than likely chance that the wolves are newer players and/or players who have not played in a while?

well that doesnt sound too good for nich...

d3 Scrubbo..... not much here

More talk about Andrex.

interaction with bsball about him voting Scrubbo.

Also had some interaction with Chips that i found w/v

aao- that was my secret wolf tell. the longer the wolves go without killing a seer means inexperienced players (i.e me/birdman/andrex) are more likely to be a wolf. and since i'm not a wolf, and i'm like 90% sure andrex isn't, it looks worse and worse for birdman.

Based on my notes post, I'm giving out points. If Scrubbo says X, points go to not X:

andrex - villa points - 327, 330, 337, 699 because scrubbo cast doubt on him
birdman - wolf points - 332, 336 defends birdman
luckay - villa points - 645, 730 scrubbo attacks
buttons - villa points- 877 attacks buttons logic
sixfour - wolf points - 641 downplays soah read

I'm not going to let go of the downplaying soah's reads angle. Scrubbo didn't have much to say, but he said soah's reads don't matter. Likewise with MinusEV. I think saying that is a wolf indicator because I think sixfour is a wolf, like soah said.

I have some theories but in discussing them it would help the wolves too much.

at this point I don't think it says much about the wolves experience.

as its very easy to miss a seer with only 1 peek on n2 and on n3 G1982 had me and a wolf so its pretty easy to miss the nk there.

If they miss a seer tonight they are probably not very experienced or the seers have had bad luck with getting their peeks NK'd.