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09-02-2013 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
You are assuming a standard that doesn't exist. From a numbers standpoint, convince me that votes should be locked at must-lynch.

Go right ahead.
Im against it
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09-02-2013 , 08:13 PM
I'm also not going to take away the voting villager's 50% equity to win just bc his teammate missed the deadline.
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09-02-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
People are arguing must lynch is a special circumstance for flips. It isn't. There is no logical way to argue that it is. Must lynch only means you must lynch a wolf to win. It doesn't say you have to vote to win. Flipping is still 50% chance to win. That does not contradict the circumstance of must lynch in any way, shape, or form. Changing the rule would be more unfair to players wrt wasting people time than leaving it as it is. You do realize that, yes?
whyyyyy
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09-02-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
You're basically arguing something like all sports game ties should go to the away team. No tiebreaker. I mean, wat.
So, say that we are making the tiebreaker the failure of one player to vote.

However, that does give me pause, because it could give rise to a situation where villager Crossnerd votes villager VR and vice versa, and wolf atak fails to vote at all. Interestingly enough, that might give the village the win even though not a single villager voted correctly.

That would be pretty funny.
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09-02-2013 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
I'm also not going to take away the voting villager's 50% equity to win just bc his teammate missed the deadline.
The teammate shouldn't be allowed to purposely miss the deadline is my point


I domt want to give the win to the wolves

But make the person vote

Be a hero or a goat
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09-02-2013 , 08:17 PM
The point is they aren't purpposely missing the deadline. You're double penalizing both villagers and just giving the wolves the win. For one person missing a deadline.

It should flip, that is the penalty. The wolf is already winning by getting the flip.
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09-02-2013 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
So, say that we are making the tiebreaker the failure of one player to vote.

However, that does give me pause, because it could give rise to a situation where villager Crossnerd votes villager VR and vice versa, and wolf atak fails to vote at all. Interestingly enough, that might give the village the win even though not a single villager voted correctly.

That would be pretty funny.
That would indeed be hilarious, but I don't understand how you're saying any rule set could produce this result. v1 votes v2, v2 votes v1, one of them gets lynched, wolf eats the other one... what am I missing?

(Plus I'm not thrilled at being the lazy wolf )
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09-02-2013 , 08:18 PM
You're just arguing that a tie isn't a tie. I can't argue against that yo. The sky is green, fine. Whatevs
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09-02-2013 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
The point is they aren't purpposely missing the deadline. You're double penalizing both villagers and just giving the wolves the win. For one person missing a deadline.

It should flip, that is the penalty. The wolf is already winning by getting the flip.
KruZe purposely missed the deadline

He admits it

And others say that's his right
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09-02-2013 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
Day chat for wolves adds nothing to their advantage in turbos (the sole possible exception being to set up the wolfchat day 1). If anything, it might make it easier to find the wolves based upon who's posting less than they might otherwise.
I disagree very strongly. Very, very strongly. Also, if we believe this: Then why is it being disallowed?

Examples:

If you have a noob wolf partner, you can feed him stuff to say throughout the day and tell him how to respond to stuff so that he gets cleared.

You can make seer hunt more effective by immediately taking note of all peeks left in the thread and c/p'ing them into wolf chat throughout the day, freeing up more time for actual discussion at night to dissect these. This is way more efficient than both wolves individually taking note of this in a notepad or whatever and then comparing notes at night.

You can organize x-posts.

You can time your votes - maybe even plan a snipe together to make sure that the game ends or that the right person is lynched.

You can more quickly get a seer claim together in a stressful situation with the help of a partner in real-time.
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09-02-2013 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by atakdog
That would indeed be hilarious, but I don't understand how you're saying any rule set could produce this result. v1 votes v2, v2 votes v1, one of them gets lynched, wolf eats the other one... what am I missing?

(Plus I'm not thrilled at being the lazy wolf )
I was going to argue that we set as the tiebreaker, the failure of a player to vote.

So in a f3 where one player doesn't vote and the vote is tied, whichever team that player is on loses. Then I giggled because I immediately thought of the above scenario as potential fallout from that rule.
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09-02-2013 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
You're just arguing that a tie isn't a tie. I can't argue against that yo. The sky is green, fine. Whatevs
1-1-0

is a different kind of tie from

1-1.

That's what I'm saying.
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09-02-2013 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
I disagree very strongly. Very, very strongly. Also, if we believe this: Then why is it being disallowed?

Examples:

If you have a noob wolf partner, you can feed him stuff to say throughout the day and tell him how to respond to stuff so that he gets cleared.

You can make seer hunt more effective by immediately taking note of all peeks left in the thread and c/p'ing them into wolf chat throughout the day, freeing up more time for actual discussion at night to dissect these. This is way more efficient than both wolves individually taking note of this in a notepad or whatever and then comparing notes at night.

You can organize x-posts.

You can time your votes - maybe even plan a snipe together to make sure that the game ends or that the right person is lynched.

You can more quickly get a seer claim together in a stressful situation with the help of a partner in real-time.
Thingy, how long has it been since you turboed?

Are you aware that turbos now have days in the 15-18 minute range?

Have you ever tried to wolfchat and also post in a turbo?
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09-02-2013 , 08:27 PM
lol at taking notes in a turbo, it's a TURBO, ain't nobody got time for that.
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09-02-2013 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
1-1-0

is a different kind of tie from

1-1.

That's what I'm saying.
No, you're arguing that 1-1-0 has two differently valued 1s, which is not true under any known system used by mankind.

1-1-0 is still a flip. You're allowed to not like it! But it's still a flip. The only way it isn't a flip is if you argue one of those 1s has a higher value than the other 1.

You cannot change the weight of a vote to suit a persons role in a vanilla.
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09-02-2013 , 08:32 PM
I am actually coming around to your viewpoint, damnit, as I think it through.

****, I hate when that happens.
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09-02-2013 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
Thingy, how long has it been since you turboed?

Are you aware that turbos now have days in the 15-18 minute range?

Have you ever tried to wolfchat and also post in a turbo?
Well, I turboed just a few hours ago on my Danish forum :P

But I assume you mean here on POG. Yeah, I haven't played with those short days, but I don't see how that nullifies any of my arguments.

Yeah, I have tried to wolf chat and also post in a turbo. It helped out a ton.

I'm not saying that you should be chatting all the time with your fellow wolf - but there are brief moments in a day where a quick message from a fellow wolf can mean a lot, as per my examples.
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09-02-2013 , 08:33 PM
Come on VR, We can drink scotch princesses, I'm gonna make a drink and name it that, I'm purrrty sure..
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09-02-2013 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
No, you're arguing that 1-1-0 has two differently valued 1s, which is not true under any known system used by mankind.

1-1-0 is still a flip. You're allowed to not like it! But it's still a flip. The only way it isn't a flip is if you argue one of those 1s has a higher value than the other 1.

You cannot change the weight of a vote to suit a persons role in a vanilla.
No, I'm arguing that it should be treated differently. And I still think it's more fun the other way. But I'm not sure I care for the implications.
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09-02-2013 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
lol at taking notes in a turbo, it's a TURBO, ain't nobody got time for that.
lol, I always take notes in turbos :P

maybe that's why I seem to post less than others. I just thought it was because I was slower at reading. I've always assumed that most people actually took notes. I guess I just do it because of my insanely bad memory then.
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09-02-2013 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Come on VR, We can drink scotch princesses, I'm gonna make a drink and name it that, I'm purrrty sure..
That would be a great name for a drink.

I do not officially yield! But I'm thinking it over.
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09-02-2013 , 08:35 PM
And I just wanna reiterate how annoyed I would be at my teammate for not voting, but it's kind of a "I do not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it' type dealio. IN before I get totally roasted with f3 non voter teammates in the future
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09-02-2013 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
That would be a great name for a drink.

I do not officially yield! But I'm thinking it over.
Well, there may be a middle ground somewhere that we haven't though of yet, let's give it time on both our ends. <3
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09-02-2013 , 08:39 PM
All right, you're both invited over for Scotch Princesses then. (Scottish Princesses,maybe?)

Cheers.
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09-02-2013 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
You're basically arguing something like all sports game ties should go to the away team. No tiebreaker. I mean, wat.
You are aware that this is kind of the case in some sports, right?

But basically soah's argument supporting the xnerd view was pretty irrefutable.
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