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07-22-2013 , 02:48 PM
Counterpoint: it takes away someone's ability to say "go wolves " as a dead post.

No but seriously I'm fine with banning them too. They're fun but the downside is too great. And even seemingly innocuous stuff can at least be interpreted as spewy.
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07-22-2013 , 02:48 PM
Agreed, they don't really add anything. I mean most of them are harmless but makes more sense to disallow them for that 1% of the time they aren't harmless rather than allow something that really adds nothing to the game.
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07-22-2013 , 02:55 PM
I have been for a full ban on deadposting for years now. It is absolutely necessary for mishmashes because deadposts can severely impact the mechanics that may surround janitors and tailors.
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07-22-2013 , 03:29 PM
I really just wanted to deadpost "loldragons" in GOT3 for closure, instead I went on life tilt for a week.
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07-22-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Counterpoint: it takes away someone's ability to say "go wolves " as a dead post.

No but seriously I'm fine with banning them too. They're fun but the downside is too great. And even seemingly innocuous stuff can at least be interpreted as spewy.
Can we nust forget about what happened in the Sopranos game?
After all, no harm was done

But yeah, I agree with banning deadposts
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07-22-2013 , 03:46 PM
I am the minority here. I have seen various hilarious deadposts and in my games I have never had a problem with them, including games that contained tailors and janitors.

So I will continue to allow them, but a mod banning them is totally fine too.
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07-22-2013 , 03:47 PM
I don't deadpost even if it's allowed and I never feel like I'm missing out on anything
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07-22-2013 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
Let's talk about dead posting.

How many game mods still allow it? I use to and have decided against it going forward, and it seems more and more game mods are phasing it out recently. I'm wondering if it would be wise to just try and implement an actual ban on dead posting as a standard game rule (no different than night posting). But I'm interested how many people are on the other side of this.

A dead post can be funny or clever ofc and 99 times out of 100 the intent of a dead post is harmless, but it will also sometimes contain something about the game that might influence live players, even if in some small way. Even something as innocuous as mcnabbstare.gif after a villager is lynched could be interpreted as a dead player feeling like/indicating he was tunneled by fellow villagers. And see: Sopranos mishmash for how the dead posting allowance can basically train wreck an entire day. I'm sure other people have even more gamebreaking examples.

Basically, I just don't see the upside really to including it anymore (short of an actual mechanic of course, like villa ghost). Also, I've seen games that do disallow dead posting get errant dead posts here and there anyways. And punishing any kind of dead post violation is a particularly hard thing for a mod thing to do.

Thoughts?
IMO, if someone wants to wreck the game with a deadpost, a band on it won't stop them.
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07-22-2013 , 03:49 PM
I don't really care if a person dead posts or not, although I can see the reasoning for wanting in banned in mishmashes.

Otherwise, in vanilla+ and vanilla's who gives a ****? Anyone that tries to interpret things from dead posts are doing it wrong, anyways
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07-22-2013 , 03:51 PM
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IMO, if someone wants to wreck the game with a deadpost, a band on it won't stop them.
I think it's more about unintentional spew etc than intentional game breaking.

The point is that there's no upside, let the dead guy go be funny in DVC.
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07-22-2013 , 03:51 PM
Somebody is gonna have to advocate dead posting and quick for this topic to maintain my interest.
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07-22-2013 , 03:52 PM
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Somebody is gonna have to advocate dead posting and quick for this topic to maintain my interest.
i like your posting and would appreciate it if you would continue even after you're dead
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07-22-2013 , 03:53 PM
In Anniverary and in Viking Village I had deadposts that cost me a decent amount of work

I lol-ed a lot with Larry Legend's deadpost in MtG

Someone with a little creativity can add some flavor to the game on his way out - so I am all for it
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07-22-2013 , 03:54 PM
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i like your posting and would appreciate it if you would continue even after you're dead
lol could happen any day now!
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07-22-2013 , 03:57 PM
I don't really care about banning deadposting or not - I think if someones going to dead post content, they're going to do it regardless of whether there's a blanket ban on dead posting or not.

The only time I can see it being an issue is like someone else said, in MMs, where tailors and janitors are a thing, but to any sensible human when you see yourself die and your role is revealed wrong/isn't revealed at all, it should be perfectly obvious that you don't dead post something like "go village!". That falls more under the angleshooting rule that's already there than anything else.

I'll allow deadposting because, like gabe, there are occasions where dead posts can be really quite funny and still spew free, but if others want them banned I don't really care.
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07-22-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeLady
I don't really care about banning deadposting or not - I think if someones going to dead post content, they're going to do it regardless of whether there's a blanket ban on dead posting or not.

The only time I can see it being an issue is like someone else said, in MMs, where tailors and janitors are a thing, but to any sensible human when you see yourself die and your role is revealed wrong/isn't revealed at all, it should be perfectly obvious that you don't dead post something like "go village!". That falls more under the angleshooting rule that's already there than anything else.

I'll allow deadposting because, like gabe, there are occasions where dead posts can be really quite funny and still spew free, but if others want them banned I don't really care.
Yes, Yes, and Yes.

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07-22-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Also, I've seen games that do disallow dead posting get errant dead posts here and there anyways. And punishing any kind of dead post violation is a particularly hard thing for a mod thing to do.
If you make an illegal dead post in any of my games, the first time I will warn you to please not ever do it again. The second time it happens, I ban you from my next game.

I decide what's illegal so if you wanna gamble with the rules go for it.

This has happened twice and both times I think it worked well.
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07-22-2013 , 04:46 PM
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IMO, if someone wants to wreck the game with a deadpost, a band on it won't stop them.
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I don't really care about banning deadposting or not - I think if someones going to dead post content, they're going to do it regardless of whether there's a blanket ban on dead posting or not.
I was more referring to the innocuous dead posts that can potentially affect a game. Anyone who deliberately dead posts content should be handled out of game obv (with suspensions or whatever).
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07-22-2013 , 04:55 PM
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I don't really care about banning deadposting or not - I think if someones going to dead post content, they're going to do it regardless of whether there's a blanket ban on dead posting or not.

The only time I can see it being an issue is like someone else said, in MMs, where tailors and janitors are a thing, but to any sensible human when you see yourself die and your role is revealed wrong/isn't revealed at all, it should be perfectly obvious that you don't dead post something like "go village!". That falls more under the angleshooting rule that's already there than anything else.

I'll allow deadposting because, like gabe, there are occasions where dead posts can be really quite funny and still spew free, but if others want them banned I don't really care.
not all people read their role reveals though so they may see they are dead, but not the role reveal so accidentally say "gl village" despite being tailored to a wolf role.
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07-22-2013 , 05:25 PM
I'm for mod's discretion but I think if you have tailors, you really need to ban it ldo.
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07-22-2013 , 05:27 PM
It seems to me like the dead posting discussion deserves its own thread?

That said, Timelady is right, both on the low impact, the ineffectiveness of the ban, and the not really caring.

I do think that a role that has the ability to win the game should be randed, or if it isn't randed, that should be public information. I didn't realize Spider had a win condition. But it wouldn't stop me from signing up for another game by the same designers even if they did it again the same way, because the game played really well. So I'll offer my opinion for what it's worth, but they can take it or ignore it and I'd still play.
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07-22-2013 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeLady
I don't really care about banning deadposting or not - I think if someones going to dead post content, they're going to do it regardless of whether there's a blanket ban on dead posting or not.

The only time I can see it being an issue is like someone else said, in MMs, where tailors and janitors are a thing, but to any sensible human when you see yourself die and your role is revealed wrong/isn't revealed at all, it should be perfectly obvious that you don't dead post something like "go village!". That falls more under the angleshooting rule that's already there than anything else.

I'll allow deadposting because, like gabe, there are occasions where dead posts can be really quite funny and still spew free, but if others want them banned I don't really care.
I was gonna deadpost HP5, but then checked and saw they were gonna be punished. Really as long as people aren't morons and just say gg, go village, there shouldn't be a problem. But apparently there is a problem, so whatever.
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07-22-2013 , 06:10 PM
yeah i had a pretty long deadpost partially typed out in HP5 including several very funny LOL HUFFLEPUFF memes but half way through completing my masterpiece i went back and checked the rules

i was disappoint.
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07-22-2013 , 06:17 PM
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as people aren't morons and just say gg, go village, there shouldn't be a problem
but those posts have zero value, so what's the point?

just ban them because like half the time ppl spew something with their dead posts

no upside
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07-22-2013 , 06:18 PM
The issue with dead posting isn't that people are posting clear content. The issue is when people post things that subtly may influence people's thoughts. I think in one SE game someone dead posted "villagers should just give up" or something similar, which implied to the remaining live villagers there were more wolves than they thought.

Yeah sure it was an early SE game and not here in POG, but I think that's more what people are concerned about. Doubtful posts like that happen if dead posting is just banned, because there was no intent to give away any info in the first place.

Last edited by Kaze13; 07-22-2013 at 06:19 PM. Reason: Basically what 72o said but with more words!
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