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03-21-2013 , 10:46 AM
A lot of people wrote that not anyone can spend all day to play, and this is more than understandable.
But if you can't even make 10 meaningful posts per day, why the hell did you bother signing up in the first place?
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03-21-2013 , 10:52 AM
Gabe wins the internet

A+++
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03-21-2013 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
one, I admit that it is possible that her posts look better on reread than in real time, but her participation was horrible in real time. Its one thing to post 10 times in a 60 player mishmash with 3000 posts a day. thats more acceptable because it isnt accepted that you signup with the intent of reading the entire thread AND you impact your team a lot less due to the large player pool. It is a completely different problem when you signup to multitable, post over 200 times in a vanilla+ over 5 days and only 45 in a vanilla over 5 days. If you cannot maintain any sort of consistent rate then don't multitable. I would settle for hifi being permanently banned from ever being allowed to multitable again (and I dont think any exception for her should be made under any conditions here as her actions in our game appear to be affected by her anger in the other game).
the multitable thing is the biggest issue. it is impossible to ignore disproprotionate posting in multiple games - and i dont have the whole solution. but you should not be allowed to make 100 posts in one game and 10 in another. there needs to be less than a 2:1 ratio maybe? i dont know. it gets sticky if one game has restrictions and another doesnt. but there needs to be some equal effort

and
[]this game was in must lynch so i dont care about the other
[]i was pressured in this game so f that game
[]i was a wolf in that game so f it, im gonna care about my villager game

are all not valid excuses


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Originally Posted by The Moocher
Spammers will spam less or more games will have a PoR, the incentive is that WW games will be easier to follow. The bonus is that there will be one less excuse available for the non-contributors which will hopefully help to create an environment where it's easier to hand out punishments.
the PoR has helped games, but the min posting requirements are even more important

the problem is - we cannot police the games ourselves anymore. if i try to lead a lynch on an UTR - i am called named, told oldschool sucks, etc. but if we allow people to not participate, the games suck

i am usually against game mods making subjective decisions, but i think it is necesary here; game mods must decide if a person has successfully met the threshold -- meeting whatever the min post count requirement is is the objective part -- but decide whether their posts actually met the participation requirement. first day that they dont, they get a warning pm. second time they are modkilled and should be tempbanned

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Originally Posted by Evene
Starrazz had a minimum post requirement. Players just ignored it. That was clearly his fault for being a terrible mod though.

It would have been interesting if confirmed troll had rolled lower to modkill both remaining wolves on d8 of Duckburg. Helluva way to end the game.


I guess what I'm saying is that the solution could be worse than the problem.
Starrazz had a lot of good ideas; he was just too stubborn and pushy about them
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03-21-2013 , 10:56 AM
solid post, gabe
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03-21-2013 , 10:59 AM
that was excellent gabe, excellent I tell you!
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03-21-2013 , 11:01 AM
awesome, Gabe
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03-21-2013 , 11:04 AM
-> lobbying for modkills is fine since so many mods are loathe to kill lock-cleared villagers who angled their way clear in the first place

EDIT: holy jesus so many typos
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03-21-2013 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
-> lobbying for modkills is fine since so many mods are loathe to kill lock-cleared villagers who angled their way clear in the first place

EDIT: holy jesus so many typos
When a player ask a mod to mk another player, the first player is trying to put himself into the moderator's place. Exception: player n2 has blatantly committed an offence the mod assiciated with a modkill in the OP.

The obvious solution is to bring the issue after the game not to play in this mod's games if he doesn't admit his mistake?
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03-21-2013 , 11:17 AM
sometimes mods dont catch everything that happens, you have to be able to privately lobby and explain reasoning
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03-21-2013 , 11:20 AM
Reporting rule breakings != asking for modkills
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03-21-2013 , 11:20 AM
Disagree strongly, most rule breaking that clears someone requires a modkill, many mods don't like doing it.
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03-21-2013 , 11:23 AM
I need to post more imo.

Controlling the flow of the thread is a legit tactic unlike slanking.
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03-21-2013 , 11:26 AM
incorrect. slanking has been a legit tactic since the beginning of werewolf.
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03-21-2013 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Disagree strongly, most rule breaking that clears someone requires a modkill, many mods don't like doing it.
I agree with the underscored, but
i) I wasn't specific about the specific rule breaking
ii) If the mod unfortunately thinks that this particular rule breaking deserves a lesser punishment, you have to let it go until the game ends, because you are not the mod and shouldn't try taking his place. When you sign up for a game, you implicitly agree to be modded by the game creator.

After the game, you can tell the mod that he sucks and that you don't want to play in his games anymore.
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03-21-2013 , 11:27 AM
I don't think lobbying for it and losing the argument means someone isn't letting it go
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03-21-2013 , 11:29 AM
gabe
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03-21-2013 , 11:29 AM
asking for modkills in game is fine and never itself causes brokenness, as long as mods are enforcing rules correctly in the first place. not sure how it came to be that mods were allowed to censor all mod criticism until postgame.
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03-21-2013 , 11:30 AM
let it go hoya
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03-21-2013 , 11:31 AM
I don't think that did come to be, but certainly the players can't debate mod decisions in game threads, since those discussions are the purest and most fertile soil for accidental and intentional angle shooting, rule breaking, McAvoying and other assorted AIDSy WW tactics
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03-21-2013 , 11:32 AM
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03-21-2013 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
I need to post more imo.

Controlling the flow of the thread is a legit tactic unlike slanking.
Free idea to whomever wants to create a game: create a secret list of words (optional: pictures and gifs).
If a word is used more than X times per day by a single player, it will trigger some kind of ingame punishment.
Examples: Odin, Asgard, tommyleejonesstare.gif etc.
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03-21-2013 , 11:37 AM
lol @ Gabe

Hold'em is one of the best additions to POG lately, a pleasure to play ww with. I spammed him actively to try to join my game.

If you're butthurt that he trolls people sometimes, get a sense of humour?
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03-21-2013 , 11:37 AM
Hold'Em is just SWANGIN DEEZ WOLF NUTZZZZZ IN YOUR FACES obviously

Last edited by CPHoya; 03-21-2013 at 11:46 AM.
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03-21-2013 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OneShiningMoment
lol @ Gabe

Hold'em is one of the best additions to POG lately, a pleasure to play ww with. I spammed him actively to try to join my game.

If you're butthurt that he trolls people sometimes, get a sense of humour?
+1

holdem actually plays werewolf here, and active players are the dearest commodity in POG.

Last edited by iversonian; 03-21-2013 at 11:45 AM. Reason: he could tone down the trolling a bit tho...
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03-21-2013 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Hold'Em is just SWANGIN DEEZ WOLF NUTZZZZZ IN YOUR FACES obviously
That was the best victory celebration post ever.
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