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02-23-2013 , 10:35 AM

#3601

fnord_too

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I really don't see the argument for a mod kill here either. What happens if the wrong player gets lynched and revealed? That completely screws everything up. I think most players want the correct vote count at night regardless of how it affects their team, so I also don't personally read anything into that.

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02-23-2013 , 10:38 AM

#3602

Chips Ahoy

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People who make reads based on outside the game stuff like this are my sworn enemies as a mod.

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02-23-2013 , 10:38 AM

#3603

Krayz

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader

Krayz,

Play better, ffs.

Obviously he's not spewed clear because he was a wolf. And, again, thinking he wouldn't do that as a wolf assumes he IS a cheater, because intentionally allowing the wrong lynch to give your team an advantage IS cheating.

What if Anarchist posted "the votecount is wrong, and needs to be corrected" DURING THE DAY.

Same principle applies: he mechanically advocated keeping a strong player alive. OBVIOUSLY he must be a villager, right? Better modkill him.

[X] does not understand that angle shooting can effect play reads
[X] Does not understand night posting and day posting differences
[X] results oriented

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Originally Posted by kokiri

and he was a wolf. So there's egg on your face for making the wrong assumption. The lesson is not to MK him, it's for you to not make reads from out of game elements, isn't it?

[X] does not understand that angle shooting can effect play reads
[X] results oriented

And I wasn't the only one! If this was a long game you just mod ****ted all over the game. "Players should know better LOLZ WHAT AM I DOING HOW TO MOD" is bad and you should feel bad.

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02-23-2013 , 10:40 AM

#3604

fnord_too

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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy

lolmod

http://checkmywwstats.com/FFSetup.msi

^^^

* Impossible¹ to have incorrect vote counts
* Locks thread at :01 automagically

Old versions include late votes, ignore errors, allow typos in player names. Don't use them, please.

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¹ afaik

So we are basically moving to functionality that OH's site had 5 years ago! If anyone didn't know, that site also had an awesome graveyard thread. You could not open it (programatically enforced) until you were dead, and you could ask for a vote count at any point, and (iirc) you voted with a check box which would then make a vote post for you (not sure if voting in the thread by just bolding got picked up).

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02-23-2013 , 10:40 AM

#3605

Krayz

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Plus saying Annie PMing the mod instead of posting itt is cheating is so dumb I can't even conceptually understand how someone could think such a dumb thing.

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02-23-2013 , 10:40 AM

#3606

HiFi

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What I don't understand is how Annie had time to post ITT, but not to PM. Making a post and sending a PM take exactly the same amount of time, give or take, idk, 5 seconds. The argument that he had to post in the game thread instead of sending a PM makes zero sense to me.

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02-23-2013 , 10:43 AM

#3607

Krayz

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Originally Posted by HiFi

Yah I didn't even bring this up because it is just a distraction in my argument in the end. The whole thing is so dumb. Night posts aren't allowed. Period. You night post you get mod killed. This isn't hard. We need Zayana up in here

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02-23-2013 , 10:44 AM

#3608

Krayz

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Originally Posted by fnord_too

Man a pure ww built site from the ground up would be awesome, but unfortunately the player pool comes from 2p2, not the game itself.

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02-23-2013 , 10:45 AM

#3609

Alrighty Roo

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He was phone posting. It's not so easy to send a PM from a phone. Even just replying to a PM is a 5 stage process* (scroll up>my 2+2>PMs>click PM>write/send reply) involving 3 different pages loading, instead of the one stage process of replying in the thread (assuming he's already there, which I think he's implied he was). Of course PMing would've been better, it's not about arguing that annie took the optimal course of action, merely whether or not he should be modkilled.

*may not apply to the app, I have no idea.

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02-23-2013 , 10:47 AM

#3610

Krayz

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The app takes no page loads to send. You press the person's post, send message, type message, send. It's literally the exact same procedure as posting.

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02-23-2013 , 10:47 AM

#3611

fnord_too

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Originally Posted by Krayz

Man a pure ww built site from the ground up would be awesome, but unfortunately the player pool comes from 2p2, not the game itself.

That is basically what Our House had started. There were a few big games that were signed up for here and executed there. Would be cool if someone could go in and mod the forum code here to add support, but I don't think 2p2 would allow that (too much risk, no real return).

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02-23-2013 , 10:48 AM

#3612

VoraciousReader

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Itt a player argues that a mod should modkill NOT based on what that player actually did but on how the other players reacted to it and then calls ME results oriented.

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02-23-2013 , 10:49 AM

#3613

fnord_too

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Originally Posted by Krayz

The app takes no page loads to send. You press the person's post, send message, type message, send. It's literally the exact same procedure as posting.

I never liked the app, I had to use it in an anon game, but I there were things about it I couldn't stand (I don't remember what exactly, I just know that I gave it a good try and went back to safari).

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02-23-2013 , 10:52 AM

#3614

Krayz

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader

Itt a player argues that a mod should modkill NOT based on what that player actually did but on how the other players reacted to it and then calls ME results oriented.

That's not results oriented? People think that night posts spew people every time AFAIK. That's why we don't allow night posting.

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02-23-2013 , 11:08 AM

#3615

Gabethebabe

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Question: Are you modkilling someone that posts "STFU it is night" at 0:02??

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02-23-2013 , 11:13 AM

#3616

Krayz

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

Question: Are you modkilling someone that posts "STFU it is night" at 0:02??

Personally, no. I don't think it's wrong to though.

I posted the vote count at :02 after. Wouldn't have been mad if I got mked.

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02-23-2013 , 11:15 AM

#3617

VoraciousReader

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The situation is more analogous to a player posting "STFU Night" after majority lynch when the mod hasn't called it and some of the players don't realize it. In that scenario, no, I don't modkill.

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02-23-2013 , 11:15 AM

#3618

Willi

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Originally Posted by Krayz

That's not results oriented? People think that night posts spew people every time AFAIK. That's why we don't allow night posting.

People prolly stop doing so if nightposter does not get modkilled. They clear player wrongly and that player wins as a wolf.

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02-23-2013 , 11:17 AM

#3619

metsandfinsfan

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Originally Posted by Krayz

[X] does not understand that angle shooting can effect play reads
[X] Does not understand night posting and day posting differences
[X] results oriented

[X] does not understand that angle shooting can effect play reads
[X] results oriented

And I wasn't the only one! If this was a long game you just mod ****ted all over the game. "Players should know better LOLZ WHAT AM I DOING HOW TO MOD" is bad and you should feel bad.

Maybe you should use affect instead of effect and you will get taken more seriously

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02-23-2013 , 11:18 AM

#3620

Willi

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Originally Posted by Krayz

Personally, no. I don't think it's wrong to though.

I posted the vote count at :02 after. Wouldn't have been mad if I got mked.

Why mad? Wolves are very likely discussion possible nightkill or rereading thread so it spews you villager.

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02-23-2013 , 11:20 AM

#3621

Krayz

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Maybe you should use affect instead of effect and you will get taken more seriously

I think not being mets is sufficient

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02-23-2013 , 11:21 AM

#3622

metsandfinsfan

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Originally Posted by Krayz

That's not results oriented? People think that night posts spew people every time AFAIK. That's why we don't allow night posting.

People find spew every time there is a sub

People make assumptions every time there is a sub

So no more subs right

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I'm kind of mixed in this instance but I get his thought process and probably wouldn't have midkilled

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02-23-2013 , 11:28 AM

#3623

Krayz

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader

The situation is more analogous to a player posting "STFU Night" after majority lynch when the mod hasn't called it and some of the players don't realize it. In that scenario, no, I don't modkill.

Posting vote corrections :07 or whatever after night and saying STFU night :02 after night or maj are pretty much accepted to be different by the community regardless of my opinion on the matter.

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02-23-2013 , 11:34 AM

#3624

VoraciousReader

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Preventing the incorrect lynch is unquestionably more vital to game integrity than snapping off nightposting. The reason posting STFU night is considered fine is because it serves game integrity.

Last edited by VoraciousReader; 02-23-2013 at 11:41 AM.

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02-23-2013 , 11:42 AM

#3625

UncleDynamite

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I think that people who argue that Anarchist should not have been modkilled are wrong, because Anarchist tried to mend a game integrity breach by committing another one, albeit smaller than the first.
The mod of that game might need a pause from modding, though.

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