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10-13-2021 , 03:13 PM

#1051

Comrade_Pupper

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Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,539

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

comrade pupper probably just cleared creature for being too wolfy to be a wolf

nah it’s just wolfy

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10-13-2021 , 03:14 PM

#1052

filthyvermin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60,233

i stayed home today. i needed a break from the casino

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10-13-2021 , 03:14 PM

#1053

Creature

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Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 2,341

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

not even getting into a discussion of the equity a wolf team loses when a wolf gets lunched, what you are saying doesn't even make sense on the face of it

bussing could only ever be effective if it actually got your any village cred. but here you are saying its a standard play and should always be expected which completely undoes the original premise that a wolf should do it because it gets you village cred

just think about it for like 10 seconds

You inevitably always end up getting village cred though. Upon a wolf lynch, town won't look into who was on the wolf wagon, but who was opposing it. That buys wolves at least a few days and that's likely extremely important because it gives enough time for town to start doubting themselves.

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10-13-2021 , 03:15 PM

#1054

Creature

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I don't know how oldschool POG is, but MU definitely has so much bussing involved that it's extremely rare to see a pure clean wagon on wolf early game. Think: your wolf partner is probably going down anyway. After they go down, where do you want to be? Among those who opposed it or among those who endorsed it and gained towncred from it?

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10-13-2021 , 03:18 PM

#1055

bsball8806

bff with birdman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47,384

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

lol i was voting irtm as a wolf all day

my reasons for switching to wiggles would look awful for me if irtm was a wolf. i got lucky. i didn't even think of how bad it would look if it turns out wiggles was villa and irtm wolf

yeah i'm saying it looks good for you assuming IRTM is a villager

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10-13-2021 , 03:21 PM

#1056

bsball8806

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Originally Posted by Creature

Effective strategy

Popular strategy

choose one

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10-13-2021 , 03:21 PM

#1057

bsball8806

bff with birdman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47,384

I mean i've seen games where d1 lunch wolf

d2 lunch wolf that bussed wolf in a weird way

just an example

anyway i gtg

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10-13-2021 , 03:21 PM

#1058

filthyvermin

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

yeah i'm saying it looks good for you assuming IRTM is a villager

right, it just seems like fanmail said irtm had a bad reentrance, and that was it. meanwhile i was voting irtm all day long, and then you say it looks best for fanmail.

that's the part i was confused about

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10-13-2021 , 03:26 PM

#1059

bsball8806

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47,384

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

gotcha, yeah i didn't read everyone's posts from the full day since it was kind of hypothetical analysis but yes i agree that if IRTM is a villager you look v good too

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10-13-2021 , 03:29 PM

#1060

Comrade_Pupper

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Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,539

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Originally Posted by Creature

You inevitably always end up getting village cred though. Upon a wolf lynch, town won't look into who was on the wolf wagon, but who was opposing it.

except that is exactly what you are suggesting we do now

like come on man

you are talking out of both sides of your mouth

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10-13-2021 , 03:29 PM

#1061

filthyvermin

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so if irtm is a villager, then i am pretty clear. and if i vote for irtm tonight, and he is a wolf, then i am really clear.

i do have him as my top wolf for now, but reasons are pretty slim lol... just the wiggles w/w interaction feeling i got, and his vote yesterday was terrible... i guess that's not that slim now that i think about it

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10-13-2021 , 03:32 PM

#1062

iraisetoomuch

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

You think both other wolves bussed wiggles, resulting in a 6-6 flip? That would be pretty terrible wolf play IMO unless they had no outs.

Literally 0 chance this happened. There is no reason for at least 1 of them to not vote me.

While I don't want to die, my death will go a long way towards implicating at least 1, and probably 2 of the people on my wagon.

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10-13-2021 , 03:37 PM

#1063

tessepia

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Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 315

I don't think creatures talk about bussing is that bad

it actually reminded me when him and another wolf both voted me in 6/6 tied wagons and the villager had only me on them (I was decently mad about that tbh but I won the rand)

but I do think creatures talk about the "wiggles just sat there and posted about me" or whatever thing was pretty bad

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10-13-2021 , 03:43 PM

#1064

Comrade_Pupper

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

irtm do you still think I am a wolf?

I noticed you hadn't really mentioned it today

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10-13-2021 , 03:45 PM

#1065

Comrade_Pupper

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Originally Posted by tessepia

bussing definitely happens and it definitely could be happening here

I am just saying its a leveling exercise trying to guess if that was happening here

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10-13-2021 , 03:49 PM

#1066

tessepia

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 315

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

bussing definitely happens and it definitely could be happening here

I am just saying its a leveling exercise trying to guess if that was happening here

I mean they're not bad as in not a wolfy themselves

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10-13-2021 , 03:54 PM

#1067

Creature

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

bussing definitely happens and it definitely could be happening here

I am just saying its a leveling exercise trying to guess if that was happening here

I don't think there was any actual effort to save wiggles at all. So I believe either wolves were asleep/inactive/didn't care at the time or they were already bussing satisfied with their towncred.

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10-13-2021 , 03:57 PM

#1068

Creature

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

except that is exactly what you are suggesting we do now

like come on man

you are talking out of both sides of your mouth

"Rick, I think we should bus wiggles now because he's definitely gone and we need to look good from his downfall"
"No, Morty. Creature will come up tomorrow saying we bussed wiggles and therefore we shouldn't bus wiggles"

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10-13-2021 , 03:59 PM

#1069

Comrade_Pupper

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Originally Posted by Creature

I don't think there was any actual effort to save wiggles at all. So I believe either wolves were asleep/inactive/didn't care at the time or they were already bussing satisfied with their towncred.

there were 6 votes for irtm

you don't think any of those could have been wolves trying to save wiggles?

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10-13-2021 , 04:00 PM

#1070

Comrade_Pupper

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Originally Posted by Creature

I don't think there was any actual effort to save wiggles at all. So I believe either wolves were asleep/inactive/didn't care at the time or they were already bussing satisfied with their towncred.

also there is the possibility that irtm and wiggles are both wolves in which case there is no need to "save" wiggles

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10-13-2021 , 04:03 PM

#1071

aaronk56

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Originally Posted by DustinG

Votes from post 3 to post 733
Night in 0:19:33
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
5	iraisetoomuch	fanmail (64), tessepia (99), KingWiggles (51), Comrade_Pupper (152), Shad_ (27)
2	KingWiggles	Doctor Zeus (70), Kawamii (8)
2	Doctor Zeus	Creature (20), Luckbox Inc (99)
1	Shad_	bsball8806 (58)
1	Comrade_Pupper	iraisetoomuch (22)
1	Kawamii	filthyvermin (23)
1	unvote	aaronk56 (20)

:00 good :01 bad

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Originally Posted by Creature

I don't think there was any actual effort to save wiggles at all. So I believe either wolves were asleep/inactive/didn't care at the time or they were already bussing satisfied with their towncred.

This would make more sense if KW was the lead wagon but he didn't become a real wagon until Filthy and I voted him with less that 20 minutes left in the day.

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10-13-2021 , 04:08 PM

#1072

Comrade_Pupper

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Originally Posted by Creature

i feel like you are trying to make a joke here but yeah, that is more or less how the conversation would go if I was in wolf chat

if wiggles was a wolf and irtm a villager and one of the wolves was like "yo lets bus wiggles for village cred"

I would say "no that is silly. we probably won't even get village cred. and if we do it doesn't outweight the equity lost by having a wolf get lunched"

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10-13-2021 , 04:09 PM

#1073

Comrade_Pupper

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like has even one person in the game suggested we start clearing people that were on the wiggle wagon?

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10-13-2021 , 04:12 PM

#1074

iraisetoomuch

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

irtm do you still think I am a wolf?

I noticed you hadn't really mentioned it today

I haven't had the time to re-eval my thoughts there so yes, but thats without any new thoughts or really synthesis of today's posts.
So well call it outdated and pending further review.

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10-13-2021 , 04:14 PM

#1075

aaronk56

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Originally Posted by aaronk56

This would make more sense if KW was the lead wagon but he didn't become a real wagon until Filthy and I voted him with less that 20 minutes left in the day.

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper

like has even one person in the game suggested we start clearing people that were on the wiggle wagon?

Soft clear attempt right above your post.