Not to belabor the point, but the reason why I brought up the old Who vs. current Who was not because of the difference in popularity (they were arguably a more "popular" band on their reunion tours, at least that's when they started playing stadiums) but the difference in quality. Like everyone, bands have peaks and valleys, and I wanted to make sure we can get them in their prime instead of their current comatose state.

I'm fine with the solo vs. band exclusion, but I don't think it would be a huge issue anyway. The songs aren't as important as the act. To come back to The Who as an example, there's a reason why Roger Daltrey played 1500-seat halls touring as a solo act, and then 80,000 stadiums when with The Who- even though the setlists (and obviously the vocals) were virtually identical.

Just in case this wasn't clear the lineup of a band is basically irrelevant. The band only gets drafted once even if it changed its drummer. If its the same name, its the same band.

The only time it should come into play is if its a different name, but basically the same lineup. In that case the band cannot be drafted twice. I can't think that there are many, if any, occurences of this amongst people who would be drafted though.

And now I just thought of Genesis. Sigh. Not really sure what to do about them or examples like them. Would welcome comments

I'm glad you did bring this up because it was something I didn't make clear and we did need state what the ruling here was. Its pretty much what you said. You'll get the popularity of their music and assume they can physically play it to the best of their ability so you don't have to worry about the quality. Otherwise dead people would be heavily penalised

Re: Genesis. I thought that's why we had the lineup clause. If you want Genesis with Peter Gabriel, then you don't get any of their 80s material.

Can we just simplify this? If you draft Genesis, you get Genesis. All their music. If you want to specify Peter Gabriel as their singer, then that's fine, you still get all their 80's stuff, but you get them as popular as they would be now with Gabriel instead of Collins.

If we can do away with the lineup clause, I would be extremely relieved.

+1

When in doubt, keep it simple

Yeah I like that

I don't know if that simplifies it. So if we pick The Yardbirds, we can have Clapton, Page, and Beck (as well as Ben King from today's lineup) all jamming on the same stage? That might be a little popular.

Really I'm all for keeping it simple and not trying to angleshoot, but there's a reason why this came up. What's wrong with saying something like- and this is only for bands that had significant personnel changes- "I take Genesis from their Invisible Touch tour"? That seems simple enough to me, but I'm not trying to cause problems, so whatever is fine.

Legend - that's exactly what I said, but without limiting their available music

I'm OK with the Genesis/Yardbirds cases (and others) being "entire history". For my festival, I will be making set lists, and specifying lineups and year. I understand the 2010 popularity stipulation, but I want my artists to be performing at their creative peak, and to plan historically realistic (and epic) shows.

I'm not arguing and we're already in an imaginary realm here, but I like the idea of getting a band or artist as they actually played irl at some point.

So saying you want 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' Genesis OR 'Invisible Touch' Genesis actually simplifies things more than imagining Gabriel and Collins together doing both 70s and 80s material. That's like inventing a reunion tour that never happened, and it leaves angelshots open like what I mentioned with The Yardbirds.

Again, I'm just foreseeing possible issues, not trying to be difficult. I'll play by whatever rules.

Edit: +1 to what AceRimmer said, that's what I'm interested in also

ok how about this

A band may only be picked once, regardless of any lineup changes it has experienced. However if a band has undergone a fundamental lineup change at some point in its career you should specify which lineup you are drafting. The Genesis rule.

I think that's best. It shouldn't be a big thing and nobody should be scared by the rule, as most bands have widely acknowledged "primes" anyway so it's not like you have to decide. But it prevents angleshooting and keeps things somewhat reality-based. And might even spark some good discussion about which lineup is best for certain bands.

ok i think these were all the revisions thus far from the OP:

5. You may draft anybody in music history (living/dead) to perform at your festival. You can assume they will perform at their best physical ability. The Who rule.

8. Artists who have had a solo career may be drafted separately from a band they were in at any other time. Similarly if an artist has performed in two separate groups, but both are distinct, then both are draftable.
8a. However artists can only play music associated with the specific band/solo career that you picked. The Paul McCartney rule.
8b. If a person has performed under two names, or two bands with the same basic lineup, both can't be drafted.
8c. A band may only be picked once, regardless of any lineup changes it has experienced. However if a band has undergone a fundamental lineup change at some point in its career you should specify which lineup you are drafting. The Genesis rule.

11. 30 rounds (20-30 are double picks)

Removing the setlist suggestion. People can still post one if they like though if its not going to cause any drama.

I'm all for starting this early btw.

lechuga

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Lets close sign up tomorrow and ill do a rand and post it here tomorrow too. Then I'll open the main thread Thursday as planned. I don't want to catch people out by starting at an unscheduled time.

Anyone thats around tomorrow can see the rand and use the time to plan anything based on their spot.

Why would posting a setlist cause drama :S

The setlist suggestion was dropped so it wasnt necessary to go through the whole Paul McCartney wouldnt play anything by the Beatles in this format debate endlessly. Providing any set list is 100% by the pick you have made I dont think there is an issue.

just go now

we've already reached the number of people you wanted anyways

and people have had plenty of time to sign up

Just rand and go, and if the people first to go aren't around until thursday/friday then we won't penalize them

One more suggestion that you're completely free to ignore. You might want to do a reverse snake draft instead of a normal snake. It seems like the first few picks are going to have a pretty big advantage, that you can balance by flipping the order at some point.

in if that wasn't clear

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