Well, they knew Saruman for a long time and didn't mess with him.
Once you go after Sauron though, it's tough not to fight back.

They're just looking out for themselves, I think. Any given team has a better chance of winning if it's them vs. village rather than them vs. other team of people who know their whole team's identity.

btw double-lynch days are a great idea and should become standard in games this big
and list of claimable for wolves are way better than most other anticlaim mechanisms

What would have happened if the evils got the ring (could they have)? Seems like auto-win since the ring was required to kill Sauron.

^^^^^ this x 1000, claiming was really not a problem this game at all until maybe the final day or two.

If there's one minor quibble I have with the mods, it's the repeated double lynches. These games tend to naturally skew in favor of village already, and double lynches are massively provillage; even more so than what it might seem on the surface due to village getting much better data for analysis.

no you got the timeline backwards

i was in the neutral chat saying how we needed to not fight with the wolves or it was village lock win. after they started killing us I claimed and got sauron lynched. Before they started killing us, we had absolutely no plans to do that anytime soon.

the mods tricked us

there were no huge roles left out of the game for the evils to claim afaik

bleh felt really bad but i was unbelievably busy last weekend
thought we were pretty close to doomed but it seemed like the wolves made some pretty awful decisions that completely baffled me

so did the neutrals receive a list of claimable roles too? i dont think that was ever answered

ILB mentioned on AIM that the rangers of ithilien could sacrifice themselves to get the ring back in posession of the village. you'll have to ask him for more details. if all the rangers were dead did they auto-win?

yes we did, thats where my ranger claim came from

the list was small (4-6 names iirc), and all obscure

Yeah I agree, I had a difficult time balancing Ghostbusters with Chips Ahoy. The problem with a single lynch game is that it becomes more of a luckfest/totally random powers flying everywhere and not really "werewolf". More lynches = more "werewolf", imo.

Maybe. We peeked ZomgHax (and got no result) back when I was still alive. So whenever his peek protection died is when they knew his identity.

It looked to me like the kills of bsball and me were targeting wolves.

When I was alive we were 100% pro neutral in chat.

BTW, I was convinced jonnyd was evil all game, up until the final reveal. I was sticking with my Day 1 soulread. I also thought ZeTurd was 100% lock evil.

Actually, we kinda knew villa were in a good position, going after the neutrals was mostly a powergrab for the ring since we pretty much had Saruman pegged down and we peeked Grima.

DAMN YOU SARUMAN FOR DESTROYING IT, DAMN YOU!

One other factor in mishmashes though is that with 10 people dying every night, the lynch becomes ridiculously less important as far as determining the final outcome. In a vanilla game, the lynch causes 50% of all deaths; in this game, it was closer to 15% maybe. And giving a bunch of power to village vigs isn't necessarily 100% balanced anyway because village vigs can miss.

I think the fact that, as someone (kukra?) brought up earlier, this game went as long as it did without one faction blowing out the other is indicative of how balanced it was. And of course, there's a ton of variance in these games - if I don't peek JD he prob lives long enough to poison 2-3 more people and all of a sudden the wolves are in a much stronger position, and I'd probably be bitching about how the wolves were overpowered

That's what the Rangers were for. I'd let evils have the ring for a night or two, then a ranger could sacrifice, and a hobbit gets the ring back.

Other real thoughts to come later but I think THC should be banned from the next few games he wants to play in. Panties in a knot yeah but the two big games I remember playing with him (TPB & LOTR) he makes ******ed plays that no one can think is smart. It's like he trolls WW games.

Loved the game ILB & WN

Did you guys know Aries' role and were you thus roleblocking him? After OMW died I thought it would be hilarious if he had actually tried to peek ZomgHax and thus came out prematurely.

It certainly looks that way. I disagree pretty strongly. I think in many cases we worked hard, made a very good decision, but we were doomed by a lack of information. The village is built to handle a lack of information, it's much harder for a smaller team.

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If all the vigs could explain their thoughts on some of the kills that'd be quite appreciated too.

what was the deal with fcbl's coordi=wolf peek?

Incredible game, Mr. Tolkien, thank you.


How ZT survived so long I don't understand, but whatever, good won in the end... and I think our guys held out pretty well too. Well played, all.