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02-12-2012 , 07:42 PM

#1726

McAvoy

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I read up to page 7 earlier and iver and nls have a bunch of interactions that look good for them imo

if it's not nofear, the nk should be interesting

remember the best vila start is to try clear people

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02-12-2012 , 07:45 PM

#1727

Nofear3838

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I would trust what LL says

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02-12-2012 , 07:47 PM

#1728

McAvoy

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Remember,

We have a no lynch available still.

nofear, what is your opinion ofdebo?

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02-12-2012 , 07:48 PM

#1729

Nofear3838

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Originally Posted by McAvoy

Remember,

We have a no lynch available still.

nofear, what is your opinion ofdebo?

I would never vote debo. He actually tried to do work at finding the last wolf, yesterday.

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02-12-2012 , 08:00 PM

#1730

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Night

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02-12-2012 , 08:01 PM

#1731

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Votes as of post 1729
It is night
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	NoFear3838	iversonian (4), Larry Legend (7), McAvoy (7), NLSoldier (13)
1	NLSoldier	NoFear3838 (8)
1	not voting	Debo9 (0)

It is night. Do not post.

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02-12-2012 , 08:08 PM

#1732

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NoFear3838 is Dead

Spoiler:

NK to Me

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02-13-2012 , 12:40 AM

#1733

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Larry Legend is Dead

Spoiler:

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02-13-2012 , 12:41 AM

#1734

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Playerlist
McAvoy
iversonian
Debo9
NLSoldier

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02-13-2012 , 12:42 AM

#1735

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It Is Now Must Lynch There Is No Changing Your Vote

It Is Day

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02-13-2012 , 12:45 AM

#1736

iversonian

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I guess that was predictable.

ok, so no lynch is def the right play, right?

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02-13-2012 , 12:46 AM

#1737

iversonian

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like, no matter what, barring a lolcat?

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02-13-2012 , 12:51 AM

#1738

McAvoy

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no lynch is right but we need to try get as much into the thread todayand reevaluate tomorrow. I will do a reread later and share my thoughts.

I think I'm one of the clearest and will probably draw the nk, f3 should be epic.

Kinda disappointed nofear wasn't the wolf.

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02-13-2012 , 01:07 AM

#1739

Nofear3838

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===DEAD===
Good Luck Village
===DEAD===

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02-13-2012 , 03:54 AM

#1740

NLSoldier

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uggh. its debo or ivers. ivers i am still kinda confused by that whole fake seer move. can you explain your thought process the whole way through?

0 posts for debo the whole weekend...he didn't post anywhere else on 2p2 either and mentioned in the draft thread that he wouldn't be around. i havent seen any warning that he wouldn't be around in this thread but i didn't look terribly hard.

i am totally 50/50 right now. slightly hard to be objective since debo has tunneled me a decent amount this game. gonna be curious to see if he still wants to lynch me or if he moves to ivers.

ive got lots of rereading to do.

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02-13-2012 , 03:55 AM

#1741

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just to clarify. if we lynch today and get it wrong we lose? but if we no lynch the wolf kills a villager and our odds increase bc there's only 2 possible villagers to mislynch for the loss instead of 3?

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02-13-2012 , 04:22 AM

#1742

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****debo day 1****

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I have never played with tappokone before, and this post was super wolfy. how many times have you seen a villager start an OP with his old games? It just seems like he's trying for people to draw conclusions on other games without doing much.

I was expecting to see more weird posts from him(her? let me know), but he(her?) came in with some awesome posts with some reads, thoughts ,etc.

tappokone is my second villager in this game. i am my first

(1)

calls tapp (V) villagery

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I also think that as a villager, we shouldn't be worrying about doing tons of MQ's. In a game with this type of post restriction, we should also just be posting our thoughts, reads, etc. if all of our posts were just MQs, the wolves would be able to blend in well.

(2)

makes a villagery sounding comment about the restriction mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

What possibly worries me about NLSoldier is that he just came off a game as a villager. If he was randed wolf, he shouldn't have much of a problem playing this game as if he were last game. It' obviously nothing to get a lynch going today, but something to wonder about.

With 4.5 hours left until EOD, we probably won't see much of a CFD. We should be trying to start getting lynch candidates in and figuring out the wagon.

I'm willing to go Larry Legend

The fact he only made one post, an hour ago, about how he doesn't want to read 80 posts is weird. Not all are massive MQ's, and even if they are, you don't need to read every quote to get the gist of the message.

makes a semi ridic comment about being afraid of my potential new wolf game and then votes larry. I'm not a fan of the "im willing to go" wording.

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And it's perfect timing that the two people I mention in my post xpost at the same time

I HATE reads like these. No one is dumb enough to be sitting in wolfchat and be like zomg im getting talked about i better pop in! as eod approaches people who have not been in the thread become exponentially more likely to enter.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

This was said d1 of the Dr. Suess game, about how the game is targetting the newer players because they seem like the easy lynch. I find it interesting that NLSoldier is bringing this up. Almost because he wasn't one to mention it last game. Second because the reaction seems faked

talking about me some more. not sure what leads him to believe im faking anything with me sarcastic comment "what a shocker two noobs are lead wagons"

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i don't like this post. "if youre not playing the way i described by EOD, obv my vote is not goign to stay on you"

this is a clear way to get off of him later on and say "but i wanted him to change! he did!"

also, since when did smileys become wolfy?

idk about this

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I never called you a strong wolf. I said that since you just came off a game as a villager, and before the seer claim people were calling you a villager, it would be easy for you to replicate that game and hope people join the bandwagon since that game was fresh in their minds.

Of course you can't replicate a "zillion two line posts" because of restrictions. you can certainly put forth the same effort/thought patterns as you did in that game though.

The fact that you have already made a post complaining about how the "two new guys" are lead wagons (early in the day), wanting to thunderdome me, annoyed you are a wagon, and trying to downplay your wolf game, are all suspicious.

It sounds a bunch like Annie in last game. complain how you are a target, wanting to thunderdome, annoyed at being a wagon.

Notice how I never said about voting you or any of that? It's because like I said in my original post, it's nothing to make a case on d1, but it's certainly going to be interesting

basically softpushing me

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I wasn't trying to start one, NLSoldier wanted me to do one.

I think its highly anti-village, and it would never get started actually. It's a butthurt mechanism.

Basically it's suppose to be that only those two will get votes that day and you let others decide on your play so far.

explaining thunderdome to someone. I was pretty donkish at the beginning of this game. mostly due to tilt from how suess ended.

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IME it never happens. Again, I think it's extremely anti-villager to even offer one. And I think it's a perfect reason as a wolf to start a vote. Derm did it in Suess on Luckay, after Luckay voted for him.

I still think Larry is a good choice

more about thunderdoming.

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What? what has changed?

i found this interesting. its in response to aks moving dye (w) to the top of his wolf list and voting him. however he was moving his vote off of gazz (w) so not all that incriminating of debo.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

It seems as if for the most part, everyone has ~10 posts left. With just under an hour left, we need to start some wagons up.

It seems like magic is one. I highly suggest Larry Legend as the other. His posts are

1) an entry post where he votes aksdal
2) a post saying he hasn't read all 80 posts
3) a thread unvoting aksdal, after giving a MQ (can we assume he read the thread then?)
4) questioning why iversonian is voting CPHoya

Even with a restriction, we should all be able to do some work. He's had four posts, so it's not like he forgot the game started, yet nothing has come from him

this looks a bit like soft defense of gazz (w) to me. its a little weird tho bc he appeared to just be upset that aks had taken his vote off of gazz.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

Larry Legend,

there is a vote count up the page. You literally have to scroll up to see it.

If you read the posts you missed, you would of saw it

Therefore, I am to believe you have not read the thread

And not helpful

So my vote is on you, it's sticking on you, I hope you follow

continues tunnelling larry (v)

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Originally Posted by Debo9

It was obviously a typo

I meant to say I hope others follow

The fact that you are still not helpful is great in my books

VILLAGERS:

Larry is a win-win lynch. We either lynch a wolf, or lynch someone who does not read the thread, does not help the village, and will just end up spamming the thread with his useless posts that offer no content

this turned out to be pretty untrue but it was fairly popular sentiment at the time so w/e.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

He votes me for the reason of...

he's mad?

this was in response to larry voting him

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Originally Posted by Debo9

you can't even draw a reason as to why I would be a wolf

you're doing the text version of lolcatting

again to larry

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hey, my vote still got a wolf.

repay the favor and jump on larry for me <3

this is to me. referring to last game when i called annie a win-win lynch and no one listened.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I'm not tunneling you this game am i!

this is to me after accusing him of tunnelling me every d1.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

that's a real terrible vote

only 2 posts left for me today

in response to me (sorta joke) voting him.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

larry legend has 16 posts in this thread

are any of those memorable to anyone?

last post d1.

summary:
made one villager read on tapp
made one soft push of me
tunnelled larry

i def wouldn't call this a particularly villagery d1 but i don't think it was overly wolfy either.

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02-13-2012 , 04:59 AM

#1743

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Originally Posted by Debo9

Ok, seriously. We need everyone to post today. The fact that people had under 15 is bad. Under 10 real bad. Under 5 is ridiculous.

Just because it is a post restriction game does not mean you have to make 5 posts. You are making it easy for the wolves to hide among us. Even if you post with a few lines on someone, it's better than nothing

villagery

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Originally Posted by Debo9

why would you not buy it? it makes sense

hoya is one of (the?) strongest players in the game. in a 21er with 1 seer, the first night you can definitely SPK as a wolf, and he would be a top choice.

now, am i willing to clear him for that? no, but its worth noting

talking about the hoya NK.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

So in Suess, NLSoldier was a villager. I remember d1 when myself, him, KRM were main wagons on d1. I remember Felix getting angry that the newer players were the main wagons. I wanted to go back to that game and look at D1 and see if I find anything. His Suess d1 in spoilers:

Spoiler:

There was also a lot of sponging on Annie on d1, and multiple posts about how he's going to the gym etc.

Now what we see this game:

Anger about being a lead wagon, real early on. We saw nothing like this last game.

Ok, this is interesting. More anger, but I don't know why you would never stop tunneling if you think someone is a wolf unless you back it up. All he wants to do is thunderdome, aka he's angry. He does give some reads, but they are pretty confusing and when you read them, pretty empty

Ok, yet another thunderdome request. Except this time, has a sad smiley so it doesn't seem angry. While I did target him early on in Suess, I stopped and put him on my villager list early on (late d2, early d3)

Trying to downplay his wolf game. I never said it was a strong one, only that since he's fresh off a villager game, it would be easy to mimic that style. But I've seen none of that so far.

Last game, NLSoldier was never like this. He was fine sponging off of strong players. Now he wants to push wagons? Seems odd

Random talk about last game, since I said lynching LL was a win-win in this game. Trying to play up that he wanted to lynch a wolf last game?

Towards me. I agree that I do tunnel him early in games. I've been right 50% of the time! (and that one time I was right, I was a wolf)

Then he does this. Very weird post.

But he quickly takes his vote off of me. Why waste a post in a post restricted game to vote me "for the lulz" late in the day?

Complaining. I'll say, it's similar to his random phone posting in Suess, but still, I don't take this as a villa lean or a wolf lean.

Off of ronny, onto derm. And with a terrible reason, may I add

Not reading the thread? If he thinks derm is a wolf, why not try to push him? Didn't he say above that he wouldn't stop tunneling if he thought someone was a wolf? If you vote someone you have to assume they are a wolf, or at least your largest wolf lean, especially late in the day.

He didn't really call out people being wolfy on d1 in Suess. Like I said before, he was glad to sponge Annie and others.

This is a very different style of posting from NLSoldier from his villager game in Suess. Much more aggressive, more pushing trying to get a lynch, etc. I understand he won't be able to post "gym bbl" because of the limitations of posts, but he had 3 posts that were just votes, including a few being bad reasoning.

I think it warrants a vote on him

NLSoldier

does a big reread of me comparing to suess. I think his statement that my style is different is fair but his conclusion is wrong. doing that much work is def villa.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

No, it's not his entire day1 or work in the game. I didn't feel like it would be necessary to clog up this thread with quotes on how he's going to the gym, or going to bbl or anything like that. I mentioned that in my post.

I'm looking at day1 because those should easily be looked at together. Games can change on the whim of a kill, but d1 is always the same.

If the wagons were LL/NLS tonight, I'd have to look at what LL has done today. If he's done little to nothing, I'm going to be on LL. He hasn't posted content, hasn't done anything. I don't want that sort of player on the villager team.

I also read it to the end, I was in it for a long time and wanted to know how it ended. Yeah, his later tone is similar to this game, but that is when the game had more information (SHC players, seer claim, etc) It's much easier to be more confident in your reads when you only have a few people from POE. This game, without any of that, NLS has been pushing, trying to make reads, etc. Thats' the direct opposite of his d1 villager game.

He does sponge McAvoy, but he did not stick on that wagon. He jumped right on to CQ, and his vote help saved LL. That's going to look bad if LL is a wolf.

He makes cases that he's "utr" as a wolf and all that. First off, that's simple meta as a wolf to make because as long as he posts more (especially in a 20 post limit game) it looks like he's doing the opposite. But even with his pushing, there is not much depth. He has no reads. It's a couple of "thunderdome?" posts, random votes being thrown around, etc. He's been UTR in terms of help, and like I've been trying to say, the villagers need to post because it could help wolves blend in by having a higher vote count

this all looks villagery enough. even though his read is incorrect. i could see him making this case as a villager.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I really like the case on vixt by aksdal, but vixt's recent posts have shown he's not really afraid of it. he's not his confident self so to say, but he's not afraid to talk.

and NLSoldier, it does matter what you say or do. in Suess, you were a very possible lynch d1, and you didn't act how you did here. With a couple of hours left in d1, you were getting angry annoyed. you wanted to thunderdome two different people, which you've never done. it's that angry/jokey tone that just screams wolf.

this last part is just such an awful read since I dont think i've ever gotten angry or done much of anything jokish as a wolf. as a wolf i try to draw as little attn as possible. whether hes just a villa making a bad read or a wolf trying to twist the evidence to fit his needs i dont know.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

TheNothing,

just curious, what's your read on me? I was the most vocal on d1 (or atleast tied, i used all my posts and had content) and I'm not on the list.

drawing attention to himself here is villagery i think.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

ok, sounds good. you aren't the first to get myself and derm mixed up.

awesome catch on nlsoldier.

villas:
myself
thenothing
aksdal
cphoya

don't remember what this awesome "catch" was but it was probably stupid. his villa list contains 3 people who flipped villa.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

how is nlsoldier looking villagery? he put cash on his list even though he was subbed and had 2 posts

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Originally Posted by Debo9

People can change up their game. Especially in a 20 post limit game, it's easy to do that.

Anyway, even though I'm leaning more wolf than villa for NLSoldier, I don't like the people on his wagon.

Let's go back onto

Larry Legend

and see what happens. I think we learn a lot from resolving his wagon

says he doesn't like the people on my wagon. At the time these people were basaint (w) globe (v) LL (v) vixt (v). gonna be interesting to see whether he pushes or votes these people later. pretty sure the only one he had made any comment on up to this point was LL.

*****day 3*****

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Originally Posted by Debo9

see this type of thinking is good. we can assume the angel can't protect the same person twice in a row, since that is standard. even though assumptions are bad, we can assume cphoya was targeted twice and was killed the second night.

even though we haven't gotten a wolf, we're in a great spot right now

i think still the best plan is to resolve a wagon from d1 or d2, and let's see what happens. if we bag a wolf, then we are in good shape.

so i'll say it now:

when you post, mentioned whether you are for or against a LL wagon today

not giving up on the LL wagon.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

I actually agree with magic's first statement. But i disagree with his vote.

I really like Globe's post on HiFi, and if HiFi doesn't come in to defend/resolve that whole issue, should be a wagon candidate.

Sorry about not posting yesterday, was running around all day.

doesn't like magic's globe (v) vote. likes wagoning hifi (v).

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Originally Posted by Debo9

With this being Superbowl Sunday, most of us Americans (myself included) will not be around at EOD. I know myself, I won't be around from probably 6EST onwards.

We need to figure out the wagons early. I still think Larry is a wolf. Here is some d1 quotes.

This was his second post. He admits he hasn't read the thread yet. After some pressure from me, he comes out with these:

Note, that last post is at 6:40 EST time, 20 minutes before EOD. We still have no idea if he has read the thread, but he's positive that I am a wolf, and won't vote me until I'm dead.

He then comes out with this, about a minute before night is called

So within 20 minutes, he takes back his vote on me, but is positive that I am not a wolf. Did he reread the thread in 20 minutes? Did he read the thread before, and just never made mention of it? If he did re read though, and he thinks I'm a villager, why would he even vote me and say he won't vote me until I die.

In my opinion, Larry never re read the thread. If he did, the votes on me wouldn't of happened. For someone not looking forward to reading a thread with 80 posts at the time of his second post, why would he read it with 20 minutes left? Would he even get anything out of it?

I'm also a believer that we should resolve his wagon. If he flips wolf, we learn a lot about the movements on d1.

Larry

still wants to vote larry. case is reasonable enough imo.

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Originally Posted by Debo9

TBH, I don't remember much of iversonian. I went back and looked at his d1.

ok. here's my first problem with him. even though his first post was at night, he says that we need to make posts count. so you're going to waste a post to say "first"?

and this seems forced. asking how to play post restriction games? in reality, a normal game is just this with a ton of fluff added to it. this just seems like the "beginning villager who needs help" type of thing. really don't like the start for iversonian

ok. this is something you need to remember. he wants to start a masonesque relationship with dye, but that's only semi important. it's how he quotes NLSoldier saying its wolfy, but votes cash based on what vixt said.

Also, realize how above iversonian says "he's going to have to throw all his notes away on vixt it seems" but then uses his reasoning to vote for cash!

ok. now i'm going to focus on when he talks about NLSoldier. he says he played one long game with NLSolider when he was a wolf, and NLS was much more vocal. But NLS has said he is an UTR wolf, and others have agreed with that. So why does iversonian remember it differently?

And I don't like how he says people wondering about his wolf game should ask others. link the thread, explain it, etc. he's trying to defer attention away from himself.

in his post before this, he says that magic is wolfy in every game that he plays wit him. and now, he votes for him. unless i missed it, he doesn't say anything about why he's switching onto magic. he says that mcavoy had a decent start, but he makes no reference to it.

and i called this out on d1. i don't like the "if you aren't playing the way i described, then my vote won't stay on you! line. just wtf's all around

ok. so he calls LL a wolf because he sponges CP, yet iversonian did that earlier in the day (remember the post i told you guys to remember?)

and then he likes magic's posting so he gets off of them. he doesn't say recently, doesn't say how he answered, just today. as if he meant all day. but he just voted for him?

and i hate this one. again he says he wants to conserve posts early, but why the **** would you make a post saying first if that was your initial thought? it just makes no sense.

and his second part was towards me when i called out his magic ultimatum. fighting a mis lynch is villagery? wolves will try to fight mis lynches too, it makes no sense.

ok, my problem with this:

-he earlier said thenothing is making villagery posts and that people should get off his wagon. why is he not on this list now?
-he also got off of magic's wagon because he likes how he is posting now. that would mean he's more villa. why is he not on this list?

it seems like he threw this list together on a whim to look good

AND YET HE NEVER CHANGES HIS VOTE

and asks this question which i don't like. he had no thoughts on someone? he wasnt paying attention?

conclusion:

i think iversonian had a terrible day 1. i think if he's a wolf, we need to look closer at magic and vixt. and i do think he is a wolf after this.

i need to look at his day 2 and see what is happening there

makes a case on iversonian. says we need to look closer at gazz (w) and vix (v).

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Originally Posted by Debo9

heres d2

so he updates his villa list. he also says that he's unsure of the dynamics between a LL wagon yesterday, but says hes wolfy and a good candidate.

again, stating magic is now a villa after pushing him yesterday for half the day

this was in response to dye re reading him. this is the exact opposite of his game so far. he's seems angry here. i'd actually lean this as slightly villa, but still, his other actions outweigh the others

ok. so he sticks to his NLS read, and that vix is a better lynch. but he said he needed to reread him before. did he? if he did, he never posted notes. and yesterday he said that he agreed with vixt that leans should not be left silent!

so he's only going to read dye if he keeps the tunnel up? that just seems weird. wolves don't draw this much attention to themselves to set a mislynch up either.

so now he votes vixt. he never gave a re read. vixt was the popular wagon, and was lynched. WHERES THE RE READ?

ok so in d1, iversonian voted LL (and according to him, tried to start his wagon) because he was wolfy. now, he wants to resolve LL tomorow (today). He also says he knows where he stands on LL, but doesn't restate it.

WHY I HATE THIS POST:

1) IF YOU THINK SOMEONE IS A WOLF HOW DO YOU NOT VOTE THEM?
2) YOU SAID ON d1 THAT YOU AGREE WITH VIXT NOT TO KEEP LEANS SECRET. you are making people re read looking for a lean. IT MAKES NO SENSE

and again, he wants to work through LL tomorrow.

conclusion:

this day was just as bad. starts off by saying he will need to re read vixt, and never gets around to it. says LL is a wolf day 1, but then wants to resolve his wagon at a later date. puts a vote on the big wagon.

if iversonian is a wolf (which at this point, i think is highly likely) then i think we need to go LL next

and yes, i realize i put on my d1 read that if iversonian is a wolf we need to look at vixt. i had a brain fart and forgot he was lynched

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Originally Posted by Debo9

iversonian because he is a wolf along with LL

funny that his biggest issue with ivers is calling someone wolfy and then not voting them which is what he did to me multiple times but w/e. we know that if ivers is a wolf hes not a wolf with larry.

he is gone for the rest of the day and never moves his vote off iversonian even when larry is no longer really a wagon.

im pretty tired probably going to work on d4 in the morning. so far i really don't know what to think. he seems to be trying to help the village even though 2 of his 3 people that he's voted (me and larry) are villagers. his iversonian read may turn out to be correct. i really don't like how he has basically only made wolf cases and done 0 clearing of villagers. he called tapp a villager in his first post and made one village list with 3 pretty consensus villagers and other than that doesn't make any villager reads in his first 3 days of posting. it would probably be good to cross reference how many villager reads he makes in one game where hes been a villager and in one where hes been a wolf. his style reminds me a bit of when i wolf, just making long multiquote wolf cases while saying very little about who the villagers are. but he's also mixed in some pretty villagery stuff.

so far this hasn't helped me make up my mind much at all. i think overall at this point id say debo is slightly wolfier than random but not necc. wolfier than iversonian. and there's still more days of rereading to go.

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02-13-2012 , 05:22 AM

#1744

NLSoldier

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summary of debo's day4

soft pushes me some more. soft defends gazz (w). soft pushes basaint. tunnels the hell out of iversonian and isn't around at eod to take his vote off of him after ivers claims seer.

debo day 5

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ok wow. awesome EOD, amazing peeks iversonian.

i want to say this right now, and i know most of you won't believe me, but i'm still saying it:

after reading iversonian's d1, i thought he was a wolf. midway through my writeup of his d2, i actually stopped and thought to myself. i thought he was the seer. it made sense. but what do i do? i can't stop the writeup, it looks wolfy on my part. i can't continue the write up but then just say everything seems villagery, it again doesn't look good on me.

so i decided to continue the write up, trying to put a wolfy spin on everything. i figure that if the wolves see me as doing that, they would hope they would get a mislynch on him and not think he was the seer. i was hoping it would act as a sort of trap.

now, you may ask why i didn't copy his peeks. i was afraid that a) a villager would catch on, and it would seem wolfy by me. or b) a wolf would realize that i was copying his peeks, and know one of us was the seer.

now, you may also ask why i pushed him. pushing someone who you think is seer could be as good as pushing a possible wolf. wolves love to bus, and i think we learn a lot from the EOD yesterday from his claim onwards.

it might of been anti-village to do what i did, but i truly thought at the time it was the only way to keep pressure off me (a villager) while trying to lynch the wolves. if someone caught on, it would of been an instant lynch on me, and the wolves would of figured it out.

so iversonian, i'm sorry i pushed you hard. but between you're awesome peeking abilities, and the EOD, i think we stand on good grounds to win this game

enters with this post. can someone tell me wtf to make of this?

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not gonna quote anything else but I just reread the rest of debo's posts in the thread and I think he's probably a villager. 3 things that give me some pause though:

1. he basically softpushes me the entire game except the one time he votes me d2 i think. it almost looks like he keeps putting the evidence against me out there for someone else to pick up and run with so that he won't ultimately be responsible for the mislynch. kinda a thin theory though.

2. his vote is consistently NOT on a lead wagon at eod. i think this is mostly because he is (conveniently?) never around right at eod.

3. 0 posts this weekend? especially after his main case on me being UTRness.

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02-13-2012 , 09:38 AM

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Debo9

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yeah i wasn't around this weekend. my gf came up to visit me and i wasn't on 2p2 all weekend.

i am only not around for EOD on mondays. that's why a no lynch today is good.

are you trying to sound villagery with those last few posts? its great you post all my quotes because it will help others read me, but you don't really come to conclusion. everyone in this game had me as a villager. you're trying to put a weak case out on me.

i don't know why people went nofear at all this weekend. he was willing to be the first lynch due to POE, he was trying to find the wolf, etc.

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02-13-2012 , 10:10 AM

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McAvoy

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I've read up to page 11 and I am harclearing nlsoldier, heis neve the last wolf.

I did the same thing in a game thatended last week and we won as a result.

I'm looking forward to hearing from iversonian.

nlsoldier,

save your posts for later today, I want to hash things out between iver and debo, I feel like I got a strong geasp of the game and I want them to interact.

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02-13-2012 , 10:33 AM

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Debo9

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend

I'm convinced the last wolf is either nofear or iversonian.

Aksdal cleared mac heavy.. Mac seemed to not know there were 2 wolves yesterday (maybe fps) maybe just sucking...

Debo9 seems villagery, NLSoldier too. Lynching them is a bad idea I think.

If I die tonight please vote iversonian. Please. Our seer was all over him. He probably expected to be counterclaimed and didn't want to actually lynch the people he claimed were wolves, but had to roll with it.

Iversonian... If it is not nofear it is him.

Bad internet, no computer, may not post again.

But if nofear is a villager Iversonian is the wolf.

i like LL's thoughts on iversonian yesterday. they probably expected a counter claim. they didn't get it. that he's alive is silly.

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Originally Posted by McAvoy

if nofear isn't the wof, I would almost never lynch iversonian or nlsoldier.

I would probably go debo but it has to be nofear

it seems like you have your mind made up on me mcavoy. you also had a post near EOD saying you've read 7 pages and NLS and iversonain seem good to you

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Originally Posted by NLSoldier

i guess there's def a good chance ivers can clear himself tomorrow. debo has been soft pushing me a ton for being utr while being pretty darn utr himself.

i mean this is probably the weakest case ever made. i've posted at or damn near the 20 post limit every day. one game day im not around and ive been utr? your post count has been diminishing every day

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02-13-2012 , 10:38 AM

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McAvoy

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nlsoldiers post count hasn't been diminishing the past fewdays, nlsoldier is NEVER getting lynched this game.

I promise you that debo.

iversonian,

You need to get in here and answer nlsoldiers questions.

nlsoldier,

Can you quote that other game that just ended where I hard cleared you and we won as a result, I can't do it on my phone.

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02-13-2012 , 10:45 AM

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Debo9

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his post count hasn't diminished? i tracked it daily in this game. it went from like 16, to 14, to 11, to 7, to 4

it's going to be myself/iversonian/nlsoldier in the final three

if youre 100% positive nlsoldier isn't the last wolf that means iversonian is. which means i have to spend today/tomorrow convincing nlsoldier not to vote me

which will be hard because he is already trying to justify voting me