Why do you want him to read someone most of us think is a wolf? Why not ask for someone else?

no, you definitely pushed NLS.... except when it mattered the most. When it really came down to it, you voted Globe instead of NLS

Globe " Who i thought was a villager ".

lolcats.

iver re-read with reference to these two debo posts iver d1 iver d2

Agree with debo's conclusion that he had a wolfy d1 altho not exactly for the same reasons. Debo thinks that posting first and then banging on about conserving post counts is wolfy, I dont, but I do think Iver had a d1 which was dissimilar to the village games of dragon tattoo and SE3. he's rather incoherent with a lot of his leans here, fairly unconfident/not really pushing them hard too, while as a villager i've seen much more forthright and lucid play in the past.

d2, debo points out quite a few inconsistencies in Iver's posting. On their own I dont think they are indicative of much, but piled up they do indicate something is up. especially since I know that Iver is capable of good logical play as a villager.

d3 onwards, this is the only post that I could find of note

changing his adskal read 5 seconds after making an 'adskal = wolf' is villagery in a vacuum since it is indicative of someone changing their views as they read, rather than just pushing an agenda. his flip on LL from d2 to d3 is similar in this respect. however, these reads are not explained well. as i've already mentioned this dude made a 4k word post in the SE3 game explaining himself, so this is once again counter to his usual village game.

conclusion: Iver should not be a wagon for being utr on superbowl weekend ldo. he should be a wagon for consistently failing to post in his village style.

I pushed NLS wagon all day, only switched when it became clear he was not going to be a realistic lynch:

and here is where I give up on NLS and vow to vote to save vix.

ugh this, dont reread ivy

this game is mad frustrating

ppl need to reread ppl who aren't mad villagery

who aren't SHC

and ppl need to stop making posts asking ppl to do things that you should be able to do on your own

i think vmf's range is polarized to wolf or seer

so yeah

VMF/ronnie

Ronnie apparently subs out of games often through lack of posting regardless of role so I think his (lack of) posting was neutral.

VMF got stuck in immediately which I think is villagery. The fact that he was subbed in with about 5 mins to go till eod and started posting immediately is really good, i would expect a wolf to chillax if put in that spot and not post until the next day.

at the start of d3 he admits to making thin reads without having read much of the thread, this is villagery since he is likely to make bad reads which can be read as wolfy if taken out of context. a wolf would not open himself up to cheap criticism like that.

pushes TN and defends derm, two reads i agree with.

one thing that concerns me is that he usually posts longer in-depth content, but that may be explained by subbing in. personally i have a hard time getting to grips with a game if i haven't been involved at the time. its a lot harder to form confident reads & build strong cases when you're coming into the game cold.

the fact that he's been confused about a few things such as telcontar being in the game and cash subbing in for cphoya is also villagery, since he would probably be sure to get a good understanding of the way the game has gone so far via wolfchat.

conclusion: vmf is a ~lock villa take it to the bank yo

ok guys, finally got around to this. I need to reread debo's case on me. Let me know what you need from me. We are not doing a me lynch today.

What the hell is this? Both of these wagons are AIDS. Why are we not lynching McAvoy?

debo, on me, d1:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=704

yeah, taht first post was bad for more than one reason. that's all there is to it.

As for post restriction games, 20 seemed like a huge restriction when I thought about it. Was a bit concerned at the time.

my early read was as NLS wolfy. the cash vote was because he was wolfier. his intro post made it obv what my reason for voting was.

i was saying that vix had a point about cash's post. Read the above again and see it that's a reasonable argument.

??? this is what i said:

this post is pretty bad. Regarding my vote on LL, the reason I don't change my vote despite saying: "srsly wtf. are we going to lynch someone with just 3 votes? (i say this, even though i'm one of those votes)." Obv, I am troubled by the lack of solid wagons. It doesn't mean I suddenly think LL is a bad lynch (although the voting pattern toward the day worried me somewhat).

the cq cfd materialized, there was little discussion, and i wanted to get people talking.

d2 coming up

iversonian

I feel like dye is like always a wolf at this point

LL is never a wolf
mac is never a wolf
magic is rarely a wolf
ivy is nearly never a wolf
nls is nearly never a wolf
nofear prob isn't a wolf
derms like never a wolf
telc is prob nearly never a wolf
debo is practically never a wolf

who's left?

vmf, TN, dye, basaint, hifi

so yeah

dye popped in to vote ivy earlier then left

popped in this morning to find peeks then bounced

he's playing robotically

he's super likely to be a wolf

aksdal,

Have you been paying attention to fakepeeks at all? I haven't been but I have backed off of some people because I seen them peeked but I'm not sure how trustworthy the person leaving peeks were tbh.

ivy was recently a wolf in the apartments game and he was hard headed and aggro

180 from how he's playing here

ya, i thought globe was seer for his 180 on derm and what looked like a fakepeek in his list. that's why i backed off him. I've noticed other obnoxious stuff too.

Probably tomorrow if we still have an angel and a seer, the seer needs to claim and we'll determine the credible one and angel the **** out of him. maybe even lynch inside the claims if its good enough. not sure when ML is

I agree with this. And when called on it, he's using the excuse "I'm trying to change my game" Villagers don't need to make that excuse. Wolves do.

lol @ that. Read up on my past games, i'm always called wolfy.

Votes as of post 1016
Night in 01:17
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
7	iversonian	bowens (4), Debo9 (16), Dyenimator (4), HiFi (14), Larry Legend (18), magic_gazz (11), VarianceMinefield (9)
4	BASaint	derm (14), McAvoy (15), NLSoldier (5), Telcontar (10)
2	McAvoy	BASaint (12), NoFear3838 (8)
1	Dyenimator	Aksdal (16)
1	HiFi	TheNothing (7)
3	not voting	globetrotter (1), iversonian (2), tappokone (0)

debo's d2 on me:

i do do a reread on vix:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=489

way to miss it. not the most solid read, obv, but it was the best i had at the time. And yes, I thought he was a much better lynch than LL, all things considered. This is why I didn't vote LL despite voting him d1.

so I hope that addresses that. My post was at 6:49. My priority is laying out a case for why LL is NOT the best wagon?

All of these arguments are rooted in false premises or are just bad logic.

is anyone online or are we going super quiet again to EOD?

im here, i just somehow thought the eod was 2hrs from now and was overly careful with my posts.

and im still happy with the wagons.

I'm here. My vote on you is based simply on the fact that I just finished watching you make read after read, post after post, being very deliberate and helpful to the village. You have not done that in this game. Post count or no, your village game is better than this.

Why am I wrong?

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I am the seer.

n0 mcavoy=v
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...l#post31304777

n1 magic=v
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...l#post31325614
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...l#post31326204

n2 dye=w
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...l#post31359322
sorry for not pushing dye hard. had to check out to watch the superbowl. but the wolves might have missed this as a peek since i was already hounding dye earlier, and so didn't get NK'd.

n3 basaint=w

basaint

angel protect me obv

Sorry for claiming so late guys, first seer game in a vanilla, and I didn't really expect to get wagoned hard today.

Nice, im only on 10 posts. I thought I had made a lot more

Mc is likely a villager and Iver and basaint are likely wolves. I'd rather we lynched the latter, but either is good for me

Great peeks!

well done

Angel protect this guy big time! I knew I was right on Basaint

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