It's not ideal, but if the poster can make a worthwhile contribution in those 30 minutes, then so be it.

if they can break it down into 2 intense 15 minute sessions or 3 very intense 10 minute sessions throughout the day, well as long as they are on the limit of the post timer and are making contributions, then it's okay.

As a villager, if they can avoid being mislynched with those contributions, then they are doing their job right. As a wolf, if they can avoid dying, then the same applies. But if the opposite occured, I would hope that the poster would take a long hard look at themselves before signing up and playing that approach again

I'll have to log into Skype later, but iirc the number of live people who could have seen that message was more in the 15-20 range

I saw it, but not until around 8pm on d1. At that point, I figured it was pointless to contact the mods, as any action that could have been taken was way too late at that point.

FWIW 18 posts on d1 should not be a problem for anyone; it wasn't for me.
This is obv not why I grievanced HiFi either.
I think that spending 25-30 minutes/day on a Mish-Mash is not really acceptable, though; do you disagree?

I trimmed down all the wolves and non-players from the list I posted, obv.
I was not in the chat myself, so I had to rely on what wolves told me.

UGH. Please contact the game mods in the future. Judgment calls on this are really something that IMO players should not bother with; the game mods will have to decide if there is smth that could be done.

If we veritably knew that several villagers saw that post, we would probably had modkilled Namath12. It would have sucked, since a slip like that could have happened to anyone, but it would have been the lesser of evils.

In all reality, telc, with the size of the game and the number of players still active in that chat, what namath did is on him and not the mods/other players.

You want the mod to sub out a dozen players?

Or should the player who made a stupid mistake suffer instead?

true, but if we have a choice between subbing one person out and modkilling another person, we will try to do our utmost to not modkill.

Of course, if there are multiple players that are aware of the problem, we will modkill.

But the important thing is: players should leave that kind of judgment call to the mods and just tell them what they saw.

Oh, you would have modkilled namath at 8pm on d1 if I had reported that to you?

Psh

Any action needed to be taken on n0. None was taken, play on imo

very nice theoretically; impossible in practice. With that amount of time, you either will fail to make the required amount of posts or will lose the ability to read but the most meager amount of posts; therefore, all of their post would be pretty useless since almost no information has been acquired.

If someone cannot spend more than 30' per day on my WW game, I don't really want them to play. If my game does not run because I turned down these players, so be it; preparing and running a good Mish-Mash takes an enormous amount of time, as you well know; and seeing someone half-assing their way through is very maddening.

Oh ok I wasn't calling the game mods presumptuous asses. I was talking to gadarene there because he assumed there weren't extenuating circumstances which would cause a lot of people to forget about a forum ww game.

If people want to exclude me for longer than a year or just indefinitely until I can make new memories more reliably, that's ok.

Well, I wasn't the boss, but I would have suggested DWetz to modkill Namath if we did not have enough subs immediately available for every tainted player there was. d1 is a perfecty good time for that to happen.

I want the players in the game to be honest.

Whether that is Namath reporting himself to the mods

Or whether that is players who see the message reporting themselves. Game integrity is of the utmost importance.

If 10-15 players all saw the message on night 0 and all reported what they saw, the mods could have taken some sort of appropriate action. The game could have been even delayed by a day while correct action was taken or the game could even have been re-randed.

but if 10 people see the message and 1 player admits to seeing it and is concerned that his read could be affected by the out of game communication, then the logical thing to do is sub that player out.

The action was taken. I was subbed out.

you would/should have been subbed out as well

You reported the problem to them n0

They chose to sub you out instead of investigating

I didn't see it til late on d1

If you feel like action needed to be taken, that's on the mods. Instead of hoping that people self report, perhaps they could have asked you how many live players could have seen that message?

if you can't represent good game integrity yourself, how can you expect other people to do it for you ?


My point is, you would/should have been subbed out. Even on late day1. I know it's hard especially after all the time and effort you put in to working on the game up to that point. But you DID see something from outside the game that affected one of your reads.

it was a ****ty spot. Just as it was for me who was looking forward to playing the game so much myself. But game integrity, no matter whether it's Night 0 or Day 6, is of the utmost importance.

Any punishment should have been applied to namath, not to you or me

Subbing you out was a mistake that could have been avoided with one question or 30 seconds of research if they really cared that much about it

Depends on how you spend it and what you mean by that. (A lot of people mean different things.)

The absolute MINIMUM participation is "whatever the mod says is OK", with the caveat that zero is obviously never ever ok.

I don't think people can be particularly EFFECTIVE on much less than an hour a day, as long as we agree that that includes reading time (which may even be while the thread is closed) and a bit of posting in the thread (this probably needs to be 15-20 minutes). Also, I'm OK if, like once per game, someone has a day where they can do close to nothing at all (make minimum posts), as long as they're willing to actually make effort to catch up.

Do I think people play better if they actually put time in the thread? Of course. There's a balance between "we want 50 people to play big games because big games are fun" and "we have about 40 people who are willing to put in an hour+ per day on a consistent basis".

I logged into Skype on d2 I think not sure. I had seen a message from ash something something in an old chat that said (deleted).
I didn't think anything of it, first of all I didn't even see the message...
Second I didn't make the relation of ash =ashington and = Namath.
I never pushed him u til Zdye convinced me and I sponged him.
Had I realized that he posted in wolf chat I would have said something.
The easiest thing would probably be make him sub and give his role to another Vanilla wolf or something. Idk kinda tough
What day did he even die?

What other "investigation" or action would you like us to have undertaken? The posts existed, we were aware of it.

Asking everyone that could possibly have seen it "hey, did you happen to notice Namath posted in that DVC instead of his wolf chat" wasn't going to help matters.

Also, subbing out Namath for someone does no good; someone who saw Namath's posts now knows both "Namath was probably a wolf" and "the mods probably saw those posts and had to sub him out", which just makes things worse.

Modkilling was a possible solution; so was letting him stew in his own juices and if he got lynched for it it's his own fault. We chose what was, based on the information we had, an attempt to cut off the information leak and play as normally as possible.

This. I'm pretty sure that it was a DVC and not a wolf chat title.
All I know is I had about 8 different chats with new messages. I could swear I read DVC and saw a message deleted from ash****** and I looked up and saw people saying bye GG etc.
I closed it and said this is old game wtf. And deleted
Then I continue checking other new messages and replying and never thought twice.
Didn't help it said (deleted)
Bottom line is his fault, something should happen to him not telc.
I would be pissed if I need to sub out or maybe sub out 7 people cuz a wolf made a mistake.

OGI happens and if it's done intentionally and u come across that info then obv is gonna change ur outcome and as long as u don't mention it seems to be ok to use.
This is my using example of the time that stork stopped posting in POg but posted a storm in another forum which I was also playing in.
I realized stork was indeed a wolf who gave up.
There was info that I didn't cheat to get but instead come to me as public info.


Which is to say very different than the info that Kawamii has about SIU...
None of us can go to his house to get that info freely.

The only problem this could have caused was people clearing other based on their push of Namath.
I don't think this happened. And Namath didn't even had a ton of heat and he was being wolfy.
People who pushed him made MQs instead of Namath is prob a wolf cuz he posted in wrong chat.
Zdye might had known and pushed him with facts, idk. I was trying to kill someone else and then sponge Zdye. The next day Namath was alive and I decided to get rid of vagos instead and forgot all about Namath. He was missing most the day and then posted super wolfy in the last 5 min or so. By then I was dead

According to soah you should've just made an itt announcement that namath accidentally posted in a dvc from a year ago and let it be

I don't get it tho, how it's posting in DVC bad?
Did he say: hello wolves I'm happy to Rand wolf vigilante and be added to wolf chat with my wolf bros?
Like was it an obv I'm a wolf wolf post?

Also most new people or even I made the connection Ash= Namath or am I just dumb?

Also who is mod mod? Asking for a friend

why is there any activity in a DVC that is that old? Like what's the draw for that to stay active?