its a little odd that kokiri didnt respond to me voting him while he was here

thats a pretty sick cross post

your guess is as good as mine?

not really sure how to respond to this

how would you have expected me to do it?

i had started reading you after i voted you but then i started playing mario cart and didnt get very far

you would normally make more of a deal about finding me wolfy, often over a space of time, and then push me as a wagon more. Here, you haven't really paid much attention to me, make some half assed comment about my calling sun a wolf and voting 64, and then vote me without any other chat. I don't know what you're trying to achieve. Typing this out, i wonder: cueball, sun both mentioned me, so i wonder if you're dropping my name out there hoping that it might catch on. If so, it's a much more wolfy way to play than more aggressively pushing me as a wagon.

thats a pretty good post

this is a weird game becauae a lot of people seem villagery and nobody is jumping out as evil either, so im coming to you in a different way than i have in the past i think

and you have sort of just popped into the thread w/o saying too much- or at least thats my impression of your posting

suspecting kokiri at this point is a bit silly imo

the thing is though that he hasn't been entirely serious; there's a blend of joking and content put together that seems right


I've always considered it wolfy to make that style of remarks of hinting at being a villager without actually saying it, but to be fair I think lately it's been villagers getting lynched for it, so I'm giving it less weight now.

im willing to admit that either 1) there is a possibility that i've cleared a wolf

or 2) the wolves are in soah, fcbl, val, 64, luckay, cue,

6 people who nobody is voting for or seems to want to vote for

kokiri makes 7

I reread luckay's posts with the mindset that he's a wolf and I got through most of them with no problem, but near the end I started having some doubts.

When luckay is a villager he usually gets himself into trouble by acting crazy and trying to take control over everyone, and then he gets lynched. When he's a wolf he doesn't want to get lynched so he just maintains a presence in the game and tries to remind people of how crazy he is without actually being crazy.

For example in SSB he kept posting stuff like "just pretend I'm saying all the same stuff about chuckles that I said about kyro last game" in place of actually making the crazy posts.

In this game he just kept saying he'd explain later why hitch was a wolf but it took him forever to actually do it.

*interrupt* Actually I'm going to amend my statement about having some doubts. After looking a bit more I still think he's a wolf. */interrupt*

At first I was thinking once he finally explained why he found hitch wolfy he was finally starting to show some emotion as he would as a villager, but it's actually just a couple lines in caps and then he's done with it. However, his case against hitch is pretty terrible. mets' had made a couple pretty terrible arguments for lynching hitch and hitch was totally justified in calling him out for it. luckay totally ignores this context of what's going on, which is obviously pretty significant.

The other problem with luckay's post is that his case against hitch is pretty much exclusively post #131, and luckay voted him calling him a wolf in post #132, yet it took him almost 9 hours just to write his three line summary of it. This looks to me like he wasn't very familiar with what hitch had posted and assumed he'd be able to find some stuff to write about later to make a grand case, but couldn't come up with anything.

So basically luckay hops on the wagon when hitch is taking heat, his explanation for doing so is a pretty big fail, and he doesn't reallly contribute to pushing hitch so much as just reminding everyone that he is sort of doing it.

Ugh, this post is becoming a mess but I see now on skimming again that luckay's stated reason for waiting to explain his vote was not due to time constraints, so I guess that aspect of my case loses significance, although the rest is still valid.

teh_hitch

sigh...

bobman feels exactly like he did in that usg game. every single thing i read "sounds" villagery, but the actual content therein is wolfy. and i kept clearing him because of the tone. and i don't want to make that mistake here...

bob

i may switch to val if a wagon gets rolling

and soah, i agree on luckay being wolfy so far. i mentioned it like p1 or p2 or something. quiet/constrained luckay does not a villager make.

this day has been pretty "meh" for me. i don't have any solid reads right now - i think i just don't feel like i've overextended myself on d1. but i'm not voting soah/mets/hitch for sure (today at least)

I guess I can't vote mets based on his freakout yesterday.

I don't really want to try to get soah lynched today. I just wanted to get my views about him out there.

Still don't feel like voting hitch, though I'll note that I'm sure I've seen him post something like #288 as a wolf before.

fcbl

this does


Villagers

Soah
Mets


Wolves

Hitch

don't worry, I'll have lots of posts (and spreadsheet of doom) to make since today is a slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww day

by today I mean in the next 3 hours

k, I forgot that I managed to "wine in front of dmk" as good, obviously


I'm going back to page 1 and reading from there because I've actually been super-glossing over from page 4 and onwards

this is actually really true
I mean I may have just lost it - at the moment I posted "HITCH IS A WOLF" I was one with the thread, and I was like feeling the air currents and hitch makes the post just as I'm thinking "Hey, mets has a point that :P is wolfy" and then hitch goes and ATTACKS METS for it and thus confirms hitch as a wolf to me

I mean its something like: I don't think hitch ever actually attacks whoever attacks him if he's actually a wolf


here's what's going through my mind


1. Hitch gets lynched a lot d1. Very sad
2. Mets wants to lynch hitch, presents something legit
3. Hitch goes "ZOMGZOGMZOGMZGOMZG I ALWAYS GET LYNCHED, LYNCH METS"


ok, so this makes no sense to me because I don't think hitch would get overcome by emotion due to the d1 lynchalot thing, and he pretty much VERY SUBTLY "revenge voted" mets is the thing


and the reason I didn't out it at the time is because I thought it was very clever and wanted to see who else was going to bandwagon / defend hitch for analysis


btw, whenever a thread on d1 focuses a LOT on someone and that guy is being both attacked and defended, they're usually a wolf

I mean think about that one


I'm still on hitch

btw, I think hitch is trying to put on a star wolf performance this game

like if I read hitch as a wolf, it is PARTCULARLY this kind of psychological wolf game:

"Okay, I really want to improve. This game, I will play AWESOME as whatever role I am."

And I look at his posts, and it hasn't been awesome as a villager, but it HAS been awesome as a wolf

OKAY!!! I JUST REMEMBERED WHY I WANT TO LYNCH HITCH

I mean I lost the train of thought because I put off on my explanation, but this was it


okay, look at this




like, this is something that I think by default we sort of go as "oh, cool plan hitch, doing something to provoke a reaction even though it ends up as a vote on you. Good for you"

BUT NO, THIS IS A STAR WOLF PERFORMANCE THING - As a wolf, Hitch is chuckling to myself "heh heh, I know I'm so clever, I know dustin isn't a wolf, so I know I can pull off this trick with him, I know he'll vote on me, and this interaction will look so villagery"


anyways, continuing on...just commenting on stuff as I remember it in the first four pages and then going on to comment on the stuff I've missed in the latter 4

(I'm reading 50 posts / page btw if that looked weird)

this is dustin post 54 referring to hitch post 53

that's EXACTLY what hitch wanted you to think. REMEMBER GUYS - if hitch is a WOLF this game, he's playing an EXEMPLARY wolf game, and if he's a villager, he's trying to be an awesome villager

Fact: Hitch has not done any villager sleuthing yet. He has just bemoaned his fate. This is only good as a wolf because he's just avoiding lynch.

reading the thread back from the first post was the best idea I've ever had because it refreshed my memory and further cements my thoughts that hitch is a wolf (because I'm reading the thread ASSUMING hitch is a wolf, because I can't think hitch is a villager because he has NOT been an awesome villager)

this is awesome metagame - remember guys, hitch was the guy who started the ww training thing, and he knows how to play a good villager and he also is striving to be a great wolf

and this is a great wolf performance - UNLESS, someone were to SPECIFICALLY go into this game KNOWING that hitch was EITHER going to play an "AWESOME VILLAGER GAME" or an "AWESOME WOLF GAME"

if you only take those two as possibilities, and eliminate "mediocre lazy villager game" or "emo villager game", THEN HITCH IS A WOLF

THIS IS A VERY, VERY, GOOD READ

werewolf is an interesting game, and this one is particularly interesting because everyone pretty much here is an oldy and I know everyone can play a good villager (or wolf) game, so the levels really come into play here


also, everyone as a villager approaches the game looking at different things - I think I bring a lot of value by mentioning specifically the context of hitch and this game. Hitch is an avid werewolf STUDENT, and he WANTS to improve a lot at it.

THIS GAME, you CANNOT read Hitch as any other role than: "Awesome villager" or "Awesome wolf" -- the problem with this is that an awesome wolf game does NOT have to follow an awesome wolf game. An awesome wolf game can be one in which someone SOUNDS like a villager - but the thing is, he would have to sound like an AWESOME VILLAGER in order for it to make sense. He only sounds like an EMO / AVERAGE / TRYING TO STAY ALIVE villager. This would not be the way Hitch plays villager, THEREFORE EVEN THOUGH HE SOUNDS LIKE A VILLAGER, HE IS JUST PLAYING AN AWESOME WOLF GAME.


This is very important

luckay, thoughts on bob. go

that's an interesting line of thought, also a villagery line of thought, right or wrong

luckay, that doesn't sound like an awesome wolf game

This post took a lot of effort to make.




Long posts generally indicate villageryness.

However, which one of these PSYCHOLOGICAL ARCHETYPES is more likely to make this post?


1. An awesome wolf.
2. An awesome villager.



I leave you to draw your own conclusions because I believe this is the most effective way to get you to draw the same conclusion as me, hyachachacha. (I probably shouldn't have said the last line, because it negates the persuasion style I am using, but I love doing this)

am i right in thinking that, an initial joke vote and a "zomg luckay is a wolf" followed a few posts later by "wait, no he isn't, vote dustin" 180 aside, this is all that fcbl has posted? odd that someone would be complaining about signal:noise and not doing anything about it themselves.

and yes, i know fcbl is not the most frequent of posters anyway. just seemed very weird.