But what if you are evil?

well, i'm not so that's irrelevant, but i have no idea how it's not working now and it was before when all i have done is left the room... i'm going to try to reboot again and get the fecker to work

Translation - so I played with ollie once, he used words in his posts. I notice he is using words in this game too, he was a wolf in that game.

Despite commonly reading games I am not involved in, I haven't looked at an ollie village game so this may be a wolf tell, idk. I'll let someone else actually take the bait and start voting for ollie.

Not sure you know what the word 'why' means then.

I will play, but I will destroy you.

Those are fighting words Hitch!

Also, I don't get it. KM throws this kickass party, but it's a bit dead in here. Maybe we should change the music?

well the thing is that it's mildly wolfy even on its own. or at least in certain contexts.

when he posted yesterday I didn't even remember that he had done it before so it didn't stand out as much

if I'm remembering the other game correctly it was weird **** like 73.86% and stuff though which fits the profile of wolves making **** up while the numbers he used this time were bland

so wtf am I talking about

bah

what are some long games he's played as a villager?

Was that the game where Luckay was all over Kyro on Day 1?

yeah

VR seems villagery, I know she doesnt like being a wolf which is reflected in how she plays when she is. here she seems to be having fun and interacting with a bunch of different people, which for her is a very reliable villager indicator.

i note that neither rake or kk have started to make any more sense than they were a couple of hours back. however, i dont see rake wolf coming after me so hard given his lack of experience. kk doesnt massively strike me as wolfy either, although given his constant changes of mind today, im a fair bit less sure of him.

aries is probably a villager, i know hes pretty good on tone when hes a wolf, but earlier when it was me, rake, kk and him posting a lot inthread, i felt like he was actually trying to figure stuff out, and he also passed on a couple of chances where a wolf could have added fuel to my wagon.

im still not sure about soah, i think him voting for me earlier is not behaviour id expect from villager soah, but hes come off reasonably well in his posts today.

fcbl, or, failing that, atak, seem to me to be our best options tonight.

i fear everything is dead. but it could possibly be the psu, who knows? i'm just really pissed off if it just decided to die WHEN I'M NOT ****ING USING IT whilst down the pub

fcbl

if alive tomorrow i'll try to pwn whilst not breaking stuff

All:

Apologies for my absence since this morning. I'm afraid I have to be a , umm, party pooper today, as I have been stricken with something that you don't want to have. I've tried to read the thread but it just makes me dizzy (literally, unfortunately) -- plus I count about eight wolves possting, so I guess I'm seeing double. With a couple eceptions, all the most prolific posters seem wolfy.

Based on what I remeber from earlier, Rake was wolfy as heck (yes, new too, but I mean in addition to that), but everyone seems to be off him. Soah worried me yesterday, except for his sort of clearing me, which I don't think he had to do. Epi seemed slightly off, too, but not enough to lynch imo.

And as for thsioe hwo you ahve been saying stuff to the efefct that Z was an obvious villager yesterday -- no way.

I have nothing else useful to add, so I'm going back to bed. Hope to rejoin the party tomorrow.

i feel vaguely bad that i was just about to bring up how quiet atakdog had been today...
feel better, and judging by the uncharacteristic spelling errors, dial down the meds

first batch of epi posts:

This is epi's first post. wolfy all around. villagers try to make sense of things. wolves prefer not to if possible. and they'd prefer you don't as well.

this was in response to kk's comment about getting NKed and this post just doesn't make sense to me. It seemed that kk was saying that he would get seer hunted or something. It's actually one of the better arguments for kk being a villager. For a wolf to make that post they would be doing it to mimic something a villager might be thinking, which is certainly possible but not the argument epi was making nor is there really any compelling reason for him to believe it - given that he seems to be implying that he otherwise finds kk villagery.

don't see why it would be fake indignation rather than real indignation

where are all the people he thought were wolves?

this stuff is true but I still don't see how this applies in the context of kk's post

coming back full circle to the first post - epi is the type of player that tries to squeeze out every possible read from anything at all. for instance in the list he posted he had reno as a villager when reno had made two posts which I didn't find villagery at all. This is twice now that he has expressed a desire to not form reads and it's very odd for him.

something you don't want to have = the clap?

did you see the first page? it was a complete mess. a more accurate version of your summary would be "villagers cant make sense of nonsense, whereas wolves can pretend to."

huh? that was exactly the argument i was making - that he was attempting to mimic a villagers thought process, and during that process the fake thoughts lost their fluidity.


my feeling was that it seemed fake. as you note below, i make a lot of reads based on not very much at all.




atak, rake, and i was including kk. for me to have three suspects at that stage of d1 is extremely unusual, i generally have a bunch of villager reads of varying strengths and often only one noteworthy wolf lean.

i explained the sun thing, and as for expressing a desire not to form reads, earlier today i posted thoughts on basically everyone. i wasnt willing to form a sun read when sun was intentionally trying to sound unreadable - im baffled as to how that doesnt make sense to some people.

this is an excellent spot to analyze train of thought: epi has expressed the opinion that zhaorx is nearly a lock to be a villager and the only read he has given on sun is that he's trying to avoid forming one... so how does he end up analyzing whether sun and zhaorx make sense as wolves together? It's just totally out of place with what he should be doing.

just including this post to show that he has indeed still kept his belief that zhaorx is a villager, and also because of the reference to atak. He says he's vacillating, but he hasn't really addressed atak at all other than the post about fake indignation

this was to sun and just seemed odd because sun made a ton of real posts yesterday

i actually dont remember the last time soah thought i was a wolf. he generally thinks im a vaguely idiotic villager (which btw was the tell i referred to yesterday - in two previous games, clown and monk respectively have praised my villager game having never shown any particular opinion of me before, and both turned out to be wolves.) i guess soah could be a wolf, although its kind of a moot point currently since i doubt he'll get lynched anytime soon.

figuring out the chances of various people being w/w combinations based on interaction is one of the things i think i do best as a villager. although the information is individually not worth much, if you can rule out, or substantially discount the chances of, enough w/w combinations, it can be very helpful. so even if i might think someone is a villager based on their own posts, eliminating the possibility that they could be a wolf with someone else is helpful information to provide.


i hadnt addressed atak that much precisely BECAUSE i was vacillating. i kinda thought posting "atak could be evil," "nah, hes probably good", "nah, hes abck to evil" at three minute intervals might get a little annoying.


he also made a ton of low content annoying posts yesterday.

I have about 5 minutes before I have to go to class (in the middle of a snowstorm, of course ) and I need a vote, but I'm not getting much action on soah. It's challenging to make a meaningful vote when something like 30% of the players aren't voting yet and I don't care to vote for the lead bandwagon and the second bandwagon is a "wagon" of 2 which is barely viable. (Also it's Epi and I'd like to see him post for a little while longer before offing him.)

ok you can't seriously be trying to sell this

the first page was virtually 100% game-related with a variety of people posting reads and voting each other

it's just about the best you could possibly hope for in terms of information

In what ways were either of them fake? As far as I can tell, you cases for people being a wolf in this game have basically been that their villagery stuff is just fake villagery instead of real villagery. I haven't made up my mind yet about kk but atak had tons of indignant posts and you just picked out one of them while not commenting on the big picture at all.

that you did end up posting reads anyway does not take away from my point

as far as train of thought goes, I don't see you doing anything with atak. You're posting, he's posting, but you're not reacting to him or talking to him or anything. Yet you claim to be thinking about him a lot. And that doesn't make sense.

A wagon of 2 seems viable.

I don't think you've been this obvious as a wolf before. Like I said, you must be rusty.

The things soah pointed out are the things I thought were odd. To be honest, I hadn't thought them through as concretely as he described them, but I did have the same reaction.

- claiming confusion and making excuses for not giving reads
- including reno in your village list
- the posts about w/w probabilities
- "one of these two is a wolf most of the time"

These aren't even subtle slips. They are like noob slips.

iirc, the times we were active inthread yesterday didnt overlap much. and today hes made one post.

Perhaps viable is not the word. Inconsequential when there are so many people left to vote may be closer to what I intended to say there. Of course, the fact that half the people on the Epi-wagon are people I am suspicious of does not help.