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08-29-2011 , 01:12 PM
there are at least 2 types of dream drugs

there is a limbo antidote

there is a dream within a dream angel drug

and maybe others



so i think this could explain some of the confusion between you and OD
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08-29-2011 , 01:14 PM
you had a dream drug that didn't specify how it was supposed to be used?


how would you kick someone from a dream overnight after they had ended
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08-29-2011 , 01:15 PM
i guess it couldn't. i didn't really read it carefully which was the problem.

on day 1 i woke up way after the thread started and just went to posting and never really went back and checked. all i know is when i pmed the mod he said no effect
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08-29-2011 , 01:17 PM
ok... so if you do have a kicking ability it wouldn't work d1 because spinning top is the level 1 dream

you would need to be in another dream for it to work i belive
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08-29-2011 , 01:17 PM
LOL that makes sense!
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08-29-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
You also have to question, if I were a wolf, why wouldn't whoever made today's totem dream put me in there so we could lynch some villas? Being stuck here means I wasn't chosen for anyting
this sounds like he knows that a wolf chose the totem dream members today
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08-29-2011 , 01:20 PM
this is the kicker pm from loretta8

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Hello Loretta8, you (villager) have been enlisted to help Mr. Saito destroy the evil conglomerate, Fischer Morrow. You are a kicker. You have the ability to end a totem dream that you are in at any time UNLESS you are the leading votegetter in the dream. Simply pm me any time before the dream is scheduled to end and the dream will end immediately. By kicking out of a dream, nothing else happens. No death (lynch) or after-dream actions. The dream will simply end and everyone in the totem dream will return to my dream.
it doesn't mention a drug


this is the pwnsall angel dream drug

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Hello pwnsall, You are an employee of Yusuf, my associate(villager). Mr. Saito has hired us to help him destroy the evil conglomerate, Fischer Morrow. You are tasked with helping distribute the drug that dreamers need to sustain dream states. You may give anyone in the dream you are in the dream drug and they will immediately begin dreaming on their own. While they are in their own dream, they are safe from most dream actions. However, the dream drug can be dangerous if overapplied so be careful. This is a day action and will happen as soon as I open the PM from you. Simply PM me the instructions "Give dream drug to player Y.


these might be a good basis for comparison, its really important you clarify things
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08-29-2011 , 01:21 PM
so are you a

A. kicker?

b. dream drug distributor?

C. other?
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08-29-2011 , 01:22 PM
note: it seems likely there are some variations of the kicker role out there
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08-29-2011 , 01:23 PM
pyro i need your 4 clearest villagers

not including you or me
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08-29-2011 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
it seems like that daisojoue was killed by CDL?
whyso?
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08-29-2011 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zsjostrom35
sooted, I really want to trust you after you nailed three wolves and a villager in HP3 with seemingly no effort, but it's concerning me how hard you're pushing OD and JJ compared to your fairly laid-back efforts in HP3. Could you explain the difference in tone please?
4/4 wolves. and my villa was harry potter haha

I literally read like 1/2 a page in harry potter so wasn't about to push anyone hard.
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08-29-2011 , 01:25 PM
more important than who killed dais is whether wolves can nk each other inadvertently
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08-29-2011 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RollWave
this sounds like he knows that a wolf chose the totem dream members today
uhhh no

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Originally Posted by monikrazy
note: it seems likely there are some variations of the kicker role out there
it's pwnsall's pm
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08-29-2011 , 01:31 PM
now, if what OD is saying is correct, and she seemed a lot clearer on your role than you were for most of the game

did you ever lose your power? and do you have any power currently
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08-29-2011 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
pyro i need your 4 clearest villagers

not including you or me
living ones?

XXS & RW from a totem and here in spinningtop

WER here in spinningtop b/c I him

IANAWW here in spinningtop for too-noob-wolfy-to-be-a-wolf
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08-29-2011 , 01:33 PM
ok, i haven't had enough interactions with XXS and WER to clear them yet but im on board with the other 2

xxs and wer i should be able to clear if they play villagery
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08-29-2011 , 01:37 PM
also, when did 2p2 servers go on Central? skipped daylight savings or what?

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
If WERx lynches a villager tonight, that's 3 in a row. Isn't there a point where a villager is so bad it doesn't hurt to kill them anyway? Like, when the vil is killing other vils?
had something longer to say here when night fell, so let's just go with "no"

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08-29-2011 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
uhhh no
why would a villager invite you to a dream to help him lynch a villager?
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08-29-2011 , 01:42 PM
catchup post incoming (long)
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08-29-2011 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyromaniac
living ones?

XXS & RW from a totem and here in spinningtop

WER here in spinningtop b/c I him

IANAWW here in spinningtop for too-noob-wolfy-to-be-a-wolf

thanks brah

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Originally Posted by monikrazy
ok, i haven't had enough interactions with XXS and WER to clear them yet but im on board with the other 2

xxs and wer i should be able to clear if they play villagery
don't count on it lol
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08-29-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
didn't aaron vote a wolf?
He did, but the wagons weren't even close (9-3-2), and the second one was Anarchist anyway, who isn't looking good himself.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy
anyways, zsj, one thing that may affect your case is it seems like wolves may not know each other

this makes sense considering one of the power roles mentioned knowing a few other power roles

if this is true we may see wolves nking each other?

daisojou i thought was lock villager because i think 2 wolves from his d1 dream were lynched and for 3 wolves who knew each other to lose a super power role d1 is really difficult to do
Hmm, I was thinking that the wolves had to at least know who the other wolves were in the dream they were in; honestly it wouldn't be much of a WW game if they didn't. In that case, one of their priorities early on would be to use their totem dream selectors to find all the other wolves.

You're right though, if the wolves don't know who the other wolves are, we'd see some w/w carnage at night. That doesn't seem to have been the case (only two dead wolves, which can easily be attributed to a village vig or two), however, so either the wolves are very good, very lucky, or they can tell at least who the villagers are in their own threads. I know somebody has thrown out the hypothesis that most of those night kills are wolf group kills for each totem dream.

I know from unfortunate experience in HP3 that the wolves aren't always that coordinated early in mish-mashes, which could explain the Daisoujou thing. They also could have been making an attempt to clear him, although he wasn't a very powerful wolf.
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08-29-2011 , 01:44 PM
First, WERx has now lynched 3 villagers. That's my strongest read so far. Also, "you are an idiot" is not a defense imo.

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Originally Posted by TomVeil
YouKnowWho claimed he peeked Anarchist wolf, so I'm going to vote that way.

Anarchist
Voting on peeks (if YKW stands up to this) is good, because it gives info on two people w/ one action. YKW: would you stake your life on the Anarchist read? It is suspicious that the wolves didn't kill YKW last night...

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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Anarchist - based upon TV reputation by a number of other players.
digger sponging, fwiw

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Originally Posted by monikrazy
ok so current theory is wolves do not know fellow wolves?
where is this coming from?

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Originally Posted by officedog
Just read Instruction thread. It appears JJ was right all along, eh XXXSooted?
sorry, right about what?

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
morning

anarchist looks pretty good
no reasoning


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Originally Posted by monikrazy
i started the game with the dream drug power

i used it on myself d1 because i thought it would bring me back from the main thread to the butterfly pin, which was my dream.. but it didn't work as i expected and i was out cold the rest of the day

this power has since been stolen from me, i tried stealing a new power from someone last night but was unsucessful

not sure if i should say who i targeted or not but it is somewhat interesting
1. On D1, you and I were both kicked from our dream into the Spinning Top. Is this when you used your power?

2. That power was stolen from you. How did you try to steal a new power after yours was gone? Are those with powers stolen from them given a new power to steal another's? Officedog, please comment.

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Originally Posted by officedog
THIS is why you don't clear people for voting for a wolf.
Yes, I see that now. Still, I'm not sure why Daisou and TCI didn't jump on Elliot to tie up the D1 vote.

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Originally Posted by officedog
I want to hear from YKW. If he really was a seer, why hasn't he been killed by the wolves? I'd like to hear a rundown of his other peeks.
Yes, this before I vote Anarchist.
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08-29-2011 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
There are only two ways where YKW and Anarchist are both villas.
Is either
YKW is insane seer - seer who reads wrong.
Anarchist is a miller villa.

Anyone who has seen inception know if a miller or insane seer makes thematic sense?
dunno how this works thematically, but i think both of those options are within biggermod's range. especially now with CDL's writeup.
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08-29-2011 , 01:45 PM
iamnww with classic failvote

hint: tell me why the lynches were bad

in b4 "because they were villagers"
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