that's like lamest thing ever

What did you think of my n2 song?

I mean before that.

Also that's not what I was doing, I was submitting from his 2013 list of best songs after considering what he was apparently into and he shouldn't have known that both Obliv and Opossum were me.

Will freely admit I was not aware of Callahan before this though.

Also the Two Gallants are brutal for real.

I didn't believe that b/c you were gonna win that night meaning we were gonna lose (but apparently you and him didnt know this). The real problem turns out to be that he believed you guys over the pm that stated he wasn't wolf and was undercover (albeit in a confusing way). He thought the whole game he was on two teams and I got completely screwed because of it.

Once again he wasn't really a wolf he was on my team only, this explains the complete mess and alot of the moves he made for wolves > his real team. If the game ends before we get our kills we lose regardless of the endgame.

Meh, it wasn't just any wolf, it was our dayvig right?

I might have made it 12 seconds, maybe.

Honestly look at how that looked from my POV.
-Rascal claims gambler out of nowhere immediately outing me as a liar.
-tells me he needed to get attention for the wolves and the wolves said they would suicide their consigliere if I complied and gave them my peek.
-to me this was: they convinced rascal to spew to cause a big village massacre and win (2 kills+me and rascal) which is what ended up happening.
-my only choice at this point was to out yippee and go for the win that way

I wanted to submit this, but it seemed too "big" to be reasonably called obscure:

Lol

I empathize with the frustrations of having to lynch the right wolf bc I've been in games like that and it sucks

But the fact that he (the wolf vig) was outed for you guys and still lived can't really be overlooked here can it?

I think there are some parallels to hp5 but I also think that in this game there was an inordinate amount of clear villagers compared to other mashes that have gone down the same way bc of letting people quote their PMs and there not being any claim able roles for the wolf team does balance a fair amount of that out

so yeah I'm not saying it's balanced but I don't think it is as broken as hp5 was

I think letting the wannabe vigs keep firing could go a long way because the village clearly needed a bit more firepower at the end

I didn't notice anyone spot you as a musician before the rage.

I think a more brutal review method would have been with me and nick both reviewing the songs. I hated all but like 4 of the songs.

the problem is he wasn't outed until like phase 4 of the claim fiasco

And by high amount of clear villagers I mean that there really weren't many mislynches left and that isn't really the fault of the wolves but more the way the game was set up.

being able to say 'quote your pm' to someone is pretty powerful and harder to get out of than other games

Ya but that wasn't really a balance issue... but fair enough I will just drop that reason

But if you skip phases 1-3 the game is so less entertaining.

- go on

I think the balance was a little off, but like others have mentioned, a more team-based reward for finding the role would be good. Maybe get yourself a bonus related to your role (double vote to show your spreading influence as a political figure maybe) instead of just capping your teammate and getting closer to winning.

All the claiming was super lol bad though, especially when people started dropping dead because of it. If half the village doesn't out their role just cause they can (IMO) the game plays out a lot differently.

I'm grunching from like 100 posts ago so this could have already been mentioned, but after the lynch it was 6-3, not 8-3. If it was 8-3 the game wouldn't have ended.

And gad, you'd really have to read HOW wilv claimed (seriously, read it, it's hilarious) to realize that it was really hard to believe that he had an actual wolf peek. In fact, he didn't even have the wolf peek, it was just info from rascal.

Yes but no but yes.

The point is it goes like this:

8-4

lynch wolf -> 8-3

lover mechanic -> 7-3

second lover mechanic -> 6-3 (this is the 1 for 2 I'm talking about, which is really brutal)

nk and vig -> 4-3

day vig -> 3-3

with all of that being unavoidable and the result of lynching a wolf to start the chain

that's what makes that wolf (rascal) a PR, it's not that he's with wilv, it's that killing him is too expensive to ever actually do

This is the most important thing from my perspective

not sure what the design reason was behind requiring that there be at least three wannabe vigs alive for them to get a shot

the thing I loved about the wannabe vigs thing was that it smoothed out variance for the village in terms of losing their vig...but that only works if you let the village have a vig shot as long as at least one of the wannabe vigs is alive

who did Wilverine peek on n3, then?

why didn't people require Yippee to be the first vote on rascal (thereby killing Yippee in the event that the lovers claim was correct)?

We tried to, unfortunately we somehow misunderstood how that worked because you couldn't reset it and buttigers was the first vote on him of the day, even though buttigers unvoted him.

He DID peek yip n3. He may have already gotten the info and was confirming it maybe, but he definitely peeked him.

got it

that's unfortunate