GG all

Props to the village for solving it like they did. Telc looked really good the last few days.

SIU played great and deserved better. Not the best game from me or Yak.

The BATM NK was lol but I think it worked out. SIU wanted to kill Sili but he couldn't get on skype. Tbh if we kill sili n1 then SIU probably get lynched earlier. He would have avoided a lot of SPKs while being lock clear to most of the players.

I think SIU was getting a bad rap. He's not the kind of person to fake slanking. He 100% had actual real life stuff interfere.

Disagree.

I'm still getting lynch and SIU would avoid some NKs while being "lack clear"

I think us losing the flip hurt more than that NK.

Well in this specific instance, BATM was a mislynch lost and Sili would have been a dead seer on N1, leaving q_q open as a mislynch; that wins the game.

IMO if you aren't sure or have no idea who the seer is, err on the side of killing the vocal villagers.

Yes. I get that. But I still think my point stands

N2 NK - Dwetz
N3 NK - Cory?
N4 NK - Somebody way less "lock clear" than Ship
N5 NK - Somebody way less "lock clear" than Ship... Again.

Etc

I'm still getting lynched probably for SIU still needs to win this at f3

You're saying SIU would be exposed because he hard bused but isn't NK'd for it?

Exactly

The whole game, practically everybody had Cory/Ship lock clear. If people like Redd/RBK/whoever get NKed over him multiple times, it's gonna look weird.

Still a terrible NK and I'm not defending it but I just think in this game in happened to benefit us. Also kind of annoying to basically be thrown under the bus for it when there was a lot of stuff that hurt our chances.

I told u I was gonna hunt you down and cut your eye lids off. Not sure how that spews me villager but ok.

As someone who mods games a lot I would, in general, like to see a shift away from the "my way or the highway" heavy handed bravado style of hoya, cory, moocher, dwetz, etc

I think it strangles games too much, especially for 'casual' players

Competition is fine, but we may be too competitive now, which seems like a ridiculous thing to say but I don't want POG to become TeamLiquid 2.0

Cause I didn't think you'd blatantly lie about "forgetting this game" after talking to me the previous night, knowing I could assume you were in wolf chat and aware the game would be starting

Fwiw, there was never a seer hunt, I was just 'asking questions', d1 as a wolf Im just trying to survive, seer hunts and whatnot isn't something Im even thinking of doing atm.

Yeah if I was a villager I almost snap clear redd.

Villagers are way less likely to forget about the game. Wolves will be getting pinged on skype and get some PMs also.

Tbh I don't even understand how redd got lynched immediately after me. That should have never happened.

Consult the chart

Well the SPL is a real thing that exists in WW games. I've been saying it til my gums bleed.

In my defense (and the defense of I think every one of the people you just listed) I think none of those people usually thinks "my way or the highway". I think for my own part I'm super duper willing to work with people who are willing to explain where they're coming from. But when someone says, on d1 mind you, "I refuse to interact with ******s or wolves", and you're the villager they're ignoring ... well, the "can I work together with this person" question is kind of answered, right? They've established that they are certain I'm a wolf, they've established that they can't be bothered to think more about the situation, they've established that they're going to continue tunneling someone I KNOW is a villager going forward. At that point, getting them lynched is self-defense and nothing more.

Not a single person that you listed, for instance, has problems with being called a wolf on d1 or with people having different reads than them. They may believe their reads are more correct -- well, experience generally bears that out (my own reads d1 are pretty average though and I know it), but they also know that their own reads are NOT infallible. But they're also flexible enough to look for other people's good reads, and to not get too locked in on their own fixations to the point where they're just a distraction when they're wrong.

In fact, I'd say it's a mark of actually-good players that they are "my way or the highway" a lot LESS than the average player.

I'm glad someone responded; I need to rethink my phrasing so I can explain what I'm thinking

I think those people can sometimes appear to skip a lot of steps in their reads on someone, which doesn't actually help people understand them well, sort of like a calculus professor who goes through the first three steps of a 16-step problem and says "and the rest is trivial". The solution is for people to, you know, ASK QUESTIONS. And for those people to be understanding when questions are asked of course, but really I think they mostly are.

I'm pretty sure I understand exactly what you are saying tom but I'll let you rephrase it so I don't look dumb when you've clarified your true stance

For instance, I think if either cory or I are too "my way or the highway", either Sili gets lynched (or has to hard claim) or QQ gets lynched. Because we're both allegedly "my way or the highway" villagers, and pushing strongly in opposite directions. Or I get lynched by a mixture of people who DID insist "my way or the highway, not listening to anyone else" and wolves and one or two people who just make a misread (it happens). Actual good villaging and a willingness to find an alternate route led to Yak getting lynched instead.

I think it's the very heavy aggression that I am opposed to, we could use more patience and friendliness in games

Games have also become a "how long can you camp the thread" contest, which is a separate issue

I think the busy game rules work well to quell this

Do I negatively react strongly to certain types of players (and this may be what you're getting at), and I think we all kind of know what types of players those are? Yeah, probably.

Am I wrong to do so? No, I don't think so.

Do I at least attempt to understand where those people are coming from? I think I do.

The problem with that particular play style that I hate is that it IS more what I characterize as "my way or the highway". The playstyle I hate inherently admits for no discussion, no compromise. And I hate it because 1) it's a playstyle that's super easy for wolves to emulate so if you let people do it you're gonna lose a lot, and 2) it's a style that doesn't really get results as far as I can see and I'm a competitive person.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy

The problem in this case is it’s okay for you to put BATM on ignore but I’m not allowed to ignore someone I find unpleasant to play with?

I will never answer to anyone who says to me: write 3 sentences and I’ll tell you why you’re terrible

And I will never not answer to anyone who asks me nicely.

And with that I would like to end this discussion as I really don’t like you therefore I would like to interact with you as little as possible as I don’t think you’re even remotely good at WW (lol SIU .1% wolf)

Now I will put you actually on ignore, so it’s pointless to reply to this post.

Have a nice life, DWEtzel.