i seem to be pretty good at seer hunting as a villager.

Seers often appear wolfy.

Of course it doesn't help when the seer decides to make a "something wolfy" joke post!

yeah this is nothing to be ashamed of

although i guess the heat you received from it meant the wolves saw you as a mis-lynch candidate.

Yeah this was me - I got home late, was pretty drunk, didn't see any PMs or IMs waiting for me and remembered the conversation mets and I had night 1, and figured killing Dan wouldn't really clear anyone if he wasn't seer. I sent a conditional "if no one else has submitted a kill then kill Dan, otherwise go with the kill that was already submitted"

id like to say i wouldve killed chuckles; i might have; but i dont remember. i think i was thinking chuckles or birdman.

i think i tried iming herbie and he wasnt there. and spoke to chim and he told me he needed a sub. and then i passed out

i would have lynched herbie d5, 6, and 7

The beautiful thing about this game is that being right is not enough. Knowing the wolf is great and all, but you actually have to lynch him. In a lot of ways it's more a game of people and persuasion than it is a logic puzzle.

yep

being wrong is sometimes better cause it keeps you alive long enough to make the right decision at endgame

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i think it all boils down to the idea of having lynch plans.

this is the second game ive seen where theres been a 'period' in the game where people have advocated using a lynch plan for the next few days... but in both games, the village kept re-evaluating the game and levelling themselves.

the first game was the donkament slow 13er that got down to me/nich/norse at an f3... we had a lynch plan and were following it but at f3 i kept levelling myself about following it or not.

this game we had all the villagers (myself included) asking everyone to follow "lynch x ---> y ---> z" plan and after the wolves died people re-looked over the game and levelled themselves into thinking "the game is not this easy".

so, i think the next step here is when there is a lull in the game (i.e. lynching peeked wolves) we should just carry on looking for possible wolves (or the final wolf here) and not really state a "we should go x then y then z" mindset.

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another thing i noticed was the amount of villagers talking about "if they kill X today then it means Y" or "if they dont kill A, then we should lynch B" and so on and just a lot of unneccesary talk about who the wolves may or may not kill.

it lets the wolves just constantly level with everyone and then the villagers are left puzzled the following day wonderng what level the wolves are on.

so, yeah, just dont talk about who the wolves may/may not kill. by all means put it in your notes, just dont post about it.

I don't necessarily agree with you aao. I think a lynch plan is fine. The lynch plan I made would have found us the wolf. If the village had followed it we would have won. The problem with the village play this game is everyone wanted to make hero lynches.

"Oh wouldn't it be sick if aao was a wolf here--lets lynch him so we don't look stupid."

This was a terrible lynch because aao was playing perfectly standard villa game for him. It was an FPS lynch.

"Birdman could be playing a great wolf game, lets lynch him."

Anyone who has played with me before knows I am not good enough to have as many posts as I did that were so intricate and involved and be a wolf. It made no sense to lynch me.

If instead of making crazy lynches like aao and me, people had just lynched herbie, who was pretty much playing pretty standard UTR wolfy, we would have been fine. Leave aao and me until f3. f3 is when you can start thinking about making sick lynches. With one wolf left, we should have just made standard lynches until we got to f3.

This post made Elliot 100% wolf. That he was not then lynched shows a flaw in the conventional wisdom. Elliot was the most likely wolf ignoring the claim. Elliot=wolf was compatible with the claim. Therefore, lynch Elliot.

You mean it made herbie 100% wolf, right? Elliot had already been outed.

And, yes, after the way that day ended, Herbie HAS to get lynched.

No, I mean it made Elliot 100% wolf. Elliot had been peeked, but can't lynch him for being peeked until the seer is confirmed.

You can lynch him for being an obvious wolf though. So instead of trying to guess his level in a few minutes, the right play was to lynch Elliot.

Oh, so that vote happened d3 and not d4. OK.

bumping my first real game cause im cool