Curious: Why one of me/Luckay = renegade? I mean, I happen to agree, but I just came to this conclusion (having worried about it for a while, but not overmuch).

Atakdog: 3

I don't see any reason why the renegades couldn't be lying through their teeth and actually have converted every single night successfully so far.

I suggest caution

Here's the funny thing. I remember getting into a heated argument about this in another game (with Zurvan and VR), and I probably acted the most immature in any WW game I've ever been (but that's another story).

But the argument goes, if you're a role that gets converted 100% of the time on n1 (or something like that), how are you supposed to play for the village on d1 instead of setting up your metagame? I mean, it doesn't make sense to hunt wolves and decrease your chances of winning instead of trying to help the wolves win.

And I still don't know/got a good answer for that one. VR argued how we were supposed to roleplay, and all that, but for a guy who enjoys strategy games over D&D, it's ridiculously hard. You're supposed to something that decreases your chances of winning the game? How is that fair? How is that fair?

And I believe my response actually is completely consistent with what I believed

I thought Swiitch had successfully converted 3 renegades, the max allowed on the team. So, the renegades were comfortable with pushing him under.

I also believed, by the way, that the renegades couldn't convert once their leader was dead

I wonder sometimes how many of my posts get read....

I posted a list of Swiitch' villager picks which I crossreferenced with his "five nights" protection list.

You appear on it twice

Luckay appears on it twice

it's in pretty colours and everything - it got reposted today earlier, and you can click back through the links to see where I posted it originally and read the context surrounding it.

It was after I thought I was awesome, so it would be the day after OR got lynched on D2, so I think D3

I re-iterated it very strongly once I took the correct shot at gusmahler on D4

metoo.

This makes this game sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much harder to win.

Luckay, I believe this, and I think it's also wolf-speak.

Then ask something that hasn't been answered ldo.

I don't buy that one of atakdog / me has to be a renegade at all. If anything, Swiitch is the type of player to distance himself from his fellow renegades as much as possible (from what I know of him - and I'd say that's a pretty accurate read)

Something in the back of my mind that I feel like I should just say is that BPM inexplicably(?) stops pushing atakdog sometime yesterday. Not calling atakdog a renegade, just stating a fact

all, heres what will happen tonight:

wolves will kill somebody other than me, sun will laugh at us tomorrow

or

wolves kill me, sun will laugh at us tomorrow


i believe andrews claim.

normally either bpm or sun would be fine, if they were of equal value. but they arent.
sun has extra powers, monk does not.
monk has stated clearly that he will not be helping the village. sun has stated that he will. i am the only one that knows for certain sun is already lying and will not be helping the village. of monk and sun, at least monk is being honest in that regard. i mean, he lied about me too, but thats immaterial at this point. we can all agree the wolves are probably in bad shape. theres no reason to help them.

I don't believe it is physically possible for me to have been converted to the WOLF team given that every night has had a kill and I clearly wasn't on the wolf team on d4

strange interactions indeed.

Chucky Choose,

Why is it terrible for the lynch order to be BPM -> Sun rather than Sun -> BPM even assuming worst case scenario that sun is lying through his teeth?

That spider's kiss ability is pretty terrible

I was thinking along those lines as I typed the post you quoted, and realized that it was going to raise some unanswerable questions. I don't think they apply here, but in cases that more closely resemble what you describe...

I don't know; I don't have the answer to it either. It is true that I was oversimplifying it, but I don't think that;s wrong to do in this context either.

Actually, this was also on my mind while Luckay was making his "threat", because if there's anyone in the game who I would think would believe it OK to go the seek-conversion route -- not because he's unethical or anything, but because he falls on that end of the seek-victory-not-role-play scale (I think) -- it's him, and the idea that he would actually hurt his new team if actually converted was silly to anyone who's seen him play these games.

why didn't you shoot swiitch on d4 when he was previously at the top of your domino list?????????

luckay

I really hope that you guys don't think I'm capable of doing the entire fight with BPM on D5...D6? both days? If I'm a renegade, also

I mean maybe I'm capable but I don't think I work that hard if I actually get converted to renegade. And certainly not have an entire inner monologue with myself about if I should trust BPM or not.

I mean my stance for a couple days was "BPM has too much power, stop listening to him"

Actually, the village needs us as much as we need the village. If we don't cooperate, the renegades have already won.

It's not just me either. The whole team agrees to work with the village against the renegades.

In answer to your questions: Luckay, LC, I have the shapeshift thing but not the spider thing.

He wasn't here to question so I questioned iggy who came up clear, then I questioned gus and his responses were so shady I had to shoot gus

Everyone was telling me to shoot gus over swiitch also, which meant the "villager swiitch tell" was somewhat in effect

I actually think it's perfectly valid to go the seek conversion route if that's your only chance of winning.... Though I know VR would hate me forever for doing it.

Everything else, I agree with you, Atak.

You do see that iggy refuted that in responding to you, right? If you believed he was wrong, why didn't you say so?

I imagine when iggy refuted me that was the moment I realized that the renegades could still convert without their leader?

If not, then I missed it completely

me too

All right, I remember that. I wasn't giving it nearly as much weight as you were, as I would have played it (his role) differently form how you're assuming he'd play it -- given how small my team was, I wouldn't have been particularly inclined to refer to my teammates at all, for exactly this reason: I wouldn't want us tied together.