basically my question on hand 1 is when opener has the unlikely 4=5=2=2, what should his followups to
1N-2C; 3C-? be?

I assume he should be passing with an 11-12(13?) count, which suggests to me that responder has to have at least 5 clubs here.

But with a good hand and 4+ clubs, he has 2S available.

I know, I know. Play Flannery. :-p

I think you pretty much have to assume that opener has three clubs (even if in one rare case he won't) here, otherwise it's just never going to come up if you demand that responder have SIX clubs.

Quick question: What would 1H - 3C be (do you play weak jump shifts?) And this is in a 2/1 GF context, right?

Anyway, chuckles is at least close, though I'd upgrade his hand type for #1 a bit because you can pass with 5C and about 8 HCP most of the time (and less than two hearts, else you might take a false preference) -- a prototype might be Kxx x Kxxx KJxxx. The 2S response probably shows this plus a sixth club and/or even a bit more (i.e. just shy of a 2C GF response).

Agreed on hand 2 also, though this depends on agreement -- you can either have 2S show six, in which case opener pretty much has to bid 3C with any hand with club support (and 2NT probably doesn't show extras either), or you can have 2S be a default/waiting bid with nothing extra, in which case 3C (and 2NT) shows extras and/or a fourth club. I'd rather use 2S as the default bid -- then again I don't usually play in a 2/1 GF context.

Make 1NT semi-forcing and you can play there when he has the minimum 4-5-2-2! And yes, responder ought to have 5 clubs to raise here (else 2NT with 11 bal and 4C looks good).

re: 1H-3C. In one partnership, invitational with 6+ clubs. In the one where this sequence actually came up, 4 card limit raise in hearts. (blech)

re: hand 2. The question is whether 3C can/should ever be bid on 3 card support. I have one opinion and my partner has another. 2S definitely does not show 6 per our agreement, and 2N is a good 12-14 or 18+ 5332 hand. Playing this style, what do you bid 5=2=3=3 and 5=3=3=2, with say a random 13 count?

Well, then I guess I bid 2S in both cases (if I don't want to bid 2NT), at least almost all the time. I can see bidding 3C on a 5=2=3=3 with some extras, especially with a big flaw for NT -- with something like AKQxx xx xxx KQJ, I'd bid 3C and feel good about it.

I might also bid 3C (rather than 2D) with a similar hand and 5=1=4=3, believe it or not (swap a tiny heart into a tiny diamond).

Basically, I'd say "responder should expect four clubs as support, and the raise 'promises' four, but the understanding is there that 'promises' and 'delivers' are two different words."

AQ874 / 84 / AJ3 / Q73

1S-2C; ?

You'd bid 2S or 2N but not 3C? Is this right?

yep, can show club support later if p is interested

2S for me here, and 3D over 3C assuming 2C was really really GF; I'm not at all interested in playing clubs here and I'd much rather get to 3NT.

1S - 2C
2S - 3C
3D...

- 3NT, pass
- 3H, 4C
- 3S, 4C
- 4D, curse/5C

yeah ok, we're on the same page here.

i think 1S 2C 2S 3C 3D 4D should confirm C as trumps and is a cuebid for slam

and probably without a H control?

That's pretty sexy-- it pretty much requires an independent trump suit though since opener hasn't shown any support. What's the difference between torturing partner with that and

1S - 2C
2S - 4C (which to my mind sets trumps and invites cuebidding)

yeah. maybe the first auction is in fact a weakish 5-6 minors hand.

i don't think i've ever seen that auction, so i don't know what should be best. i was thinking maybe one would choose to go the slow route when partner's response to 3C matters. ie slam prospects depend on whether partner shows some stuff via a 3D/H, confirms 6S with 3S, or shows scattered values via 3NT.

I can't really think of a hand that isn't debatable, but maybe something like -- Kxx KQx AKxxxxx would go the slow route

Epic team games going on right now...

was fun thanks all

yeah thx all

everyone > brrrrrr

Mainly pointed at Wahoopride and PBAL. But apparently BBO juniors is starting a thing 7 PM Mondays geared towards new players to learn the game. Disa and Vdoubleu are going to be teaching, and both are extremely good players, who have whooped me on a few occasions and taught me a lot. Message BBOJuniors if you want to play, but I would expect it to be open to watch.

Awesome Chuckles ty.

if anyone feels like playing tonight lmk

im out tonight

Sectional this weekend.

First Session this afternoon got me .63 silver. At this rate I will be a LM in about 2020.

how many do you need?

I still need like 10 silvers for LM. But tempted to sandbag it for a year and try to destroy GNT and NAP Flight C.

me too