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Old 10-25-2013, 08:19 AM   #1876
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Re: Battle of Hydras Werewolf Game

In fact since we knew we were lynching Kokiri/Pitch anyways we should have 100% lynched Kruze/Leafs yesterday imo
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:19 AM   #1877
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

I'll do some rereading now that we have a dead wolf hydra. I'll throw in some random comments while I go.

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god it's been a long time since i've played ww

leo
Timi later explained that this was a random vote to get things going. Usually there's some reason for picking the person you vote for, even if it's a semi-random early vote.

Timi also doesn't have any history of doing this as a villager. Doesn't mean he can't have started in this game, but maybe he'll feel more pressure to do something, anything early if he's a wolf.

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kokiris body of work not that impressive either so far
Fair comment.

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rah-rah village mechanics talk

and if your reason for voting was to pressure mets why did you vote forsy? was it a joke vote?
Ivers explained why he voted for Forsy. Why ask?

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bhuber2010 timistere
Felix the Cat
Forsythio metsandfinsfan
gtpitch kokiri
HerbieGRD Thingyman
iversonian DonkDonkDonkDonk
Klairic notyouravgdrewbie
LeonardoDicaprio gambit8888
monk2310
ReddBoiler SuqAta8
tappokone DWetzel
well named fank009
Xkf


Iversonian 4, 6, 10, 11, 12
10 and 11 w
12 is neutral but I disagree. I think hydras should leave conflicting peeks as a way for seer cover themselves

Leo 7, 8, 14, 15, 21
Post 7 wolfy/contrived, post 8 a continuation of 7,
14 seems wolfy too. I pretty much find everything about Leo wolfy so far
15
21 more early voting by Leo

timistere 16, 18, 30, 31, 37, 45, 52, 55
drops a vote on Leo and adds an unrelated comment
30+31 combo pretty wolfy

drops a post and leaves. Nothing wolfy or villagery about the post.
37 more of nothing
52
55 expresses doubt on Kokiri

herbie 20

fank 23, 29, 32, 36, 39,
23 villagery post
29 is sponging/agree w tappo
32 revenge votes Timi with an open commentary on the game(wolfy)
36 hate this post
kokiri 24, 25,
24 and 25 are comprised of nothing

tappokone 26, 27, 28, 41, 50, 54, 56
27 neutral, 28 might be a joke vote,
41 quizzical of other players. Ends quotes in questions.
50 like part of post where pressure is applied to timistere
54 villagery post. gets more villagery by post
56 WOAT post

mets 33, 34, 35, 40, 42, 44, 47, 53
33, 34 35 are Mets village tone/voice from previous games
40 more Mets village tone/voice from previous games

thingyman 43, 46, 48, 51,
43 neutral/nothing
46 agrees with Kokiri. agrees/disagrees with Mets at same time.
48 tappo wolf lean, mets villa lean
51 hate this post

gtpitch 49,



This is what I got so far. Basically only Tappo and Mets are villagers, the rest of you are wolfy.
The villa lean on me is super light. I was expecting him to maybe peek me villager at this point.

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Very compelling reasons you gave.
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Take mouse. Scroll up. Read notes I copy and pasted into thread. Feel enlightened.
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Er nevermind.

Reading fail.
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sick xpost
Pitch and Redd have a failure to communicate.

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I'm not sure 2 hydras who are wolves can both keep up the village facade. Even if one half of the pair is good at acting villagery, I think having two players have to display open villagery-ness ITT is going to be a huge disadvantage for the wolves.
The solution to this problem seems to be for one half of the pair to barely post.

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Why is Leo wolfy? No reason given why the 2nd part of the sentence is wolfy. No reason given why Kokiris body of work isnt impressive. Etc etc.

My problem with your posts is that you dont really explain why you are feeling the way you are, you just throw random accusations out. I find this line wolfy.
Redd's pushing Timi quite a bit in the early going.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:40 AM   #1878
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You're peeked wolf
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Boober

I think I want to give you a day

If im seer I'll peek you tonight

If im not the real seer should

These two posts make me think one of Bhuber/Timi or Kruze/Leafs has to be a wolf too.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:40 AM   #1879
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

My comments are mostly going to be pretty useless. My brain's tired.

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i'm rereading from the start.

leo has a hell of a wolfy start, way wolfier than ivers, although as someone pointed out, the helpful hyrda advice is a bit w/e,
Uh huh.

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im gonna trust mets on a lot of reads today, he pretty much killed the major league game

couldve been variance, but w/e
Mets had Pitch as a wolf at this point. Ivers was his top wolf, though.

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Ok, some early lolreads:

Mets is a villager, Iversonian, too (so stop squabbling Mets/D4), Tappakone too,

Thingy, Leo, Fank009 all seem wolfy

Thingyman/HerbieGRD

That's way more reads than i normally have, wtf
A lot of dead/mech clear villagers plus Leo in this post. Doesn't really mean anything.

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i'm not a huge fan of this post.
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...although i'll give redd a pass for picking up on fank's sketchiness.
A bit of mild Redd pushing.

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Riddle me this: two posts saying pretty much the exact same thing; my day1 tone alarm read strong village on mets' post, and wolfy on Leo's. Anyone who can tell me why, i'd be grateful, since i have nfi.



also, i think that it's going to be considerably easier to keep track than i first thought.
Keeps talking about Leo being wolfy. It's not really determinative.

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to explain thingy read:

he is very wolfy on tone. his posts read as very restrained and forced. robotic maybe is a good word?

i didn't like that post where he felt the need to give 1 wolf and 1 villager read even though you could tell his heart wasn't in it

and i think he is not making any villagery observations on the game. for as many posts as he has so far there should at least be something
Later on Thingy threw all restraint to the wind, but Leo didn't seem to like that, either.

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Mets
Tappo

DonkDonk
Thingy
Leo
Iversonian

nonposters

Timi
Kokiri
Fank
Good villager list, maybe great. That doesn't build a lot of confidence, though, given that the one time I saw Redd village, his reads weren't very accurate.

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i'm a bit mystified how i ended up on Redd's wolflist, in a sort of, the reasons he gave strike me as odd, not that you're not allowed to find me wolfy but still, i guess thus it's odd enough to be villagery, sort of way.
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so kokiri is a villager

not a peek
Sadly Leo would totally make this post as wolf/wolf.

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Getting much more happy with Thingy, but leo's been making sense on this page.
Cares more about the Thingy wolf read than the Leo one.

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i mean

i see that you found your way to a conclusion that it was wolfy of tappo to vote you for not explaining your read when he never explicitly asked you to

i would ask you why you never just explained it instead of getting into this really weird spat
Doesn't seem to like Thingy showing some emotion.

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well named is in a tree right now guys

IN A TREE
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I liked these posts. Made me laugh.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:41 AM   #1880
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These two posts make me think one of Bhuber/Timi or Kruze/Leafs has to be a wolf too.
All that those posts tell me about Boober/Timi is that they hadn't been peeked.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:45 AM   #1881
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All that those posts tell me about Boober/Timi is that they hadn't been peeked.

Mets was pretty adamant that he was going to peek Bhuber the night he got NK'd. If he didnt get NK'd for peeking Leafs/Kruze wolf he may have been nk'd for giving off a seer vibe and planning on peekeing Bhuber imo
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:47 AM   #1882
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by the way I forgot to mention

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Old 10-25-2013, 09:08 AM   #1883
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thingy

your case on tappokone really doesn't make any sense. by that logic i am wolfy because i didn't ask you about your vote as is several other people

furthermore, tappo's case is very nice

you should care more about your own wolf read than everyone else, and if it were a true wolf read you would provide reasons yourself. your approach to your own wolf read is anti-wolf hunting.

so really all it looks like is that you aren't sincerely wolf hunting and your wolf reads are just there for credit
This post shows signs of not having read Thingy's posts carefully.

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also it sounds like one of those spots where someone does something wolfy, someone votes them for it, and then they say "lol i was doing that on purpose, what a trap, YOU must be the wolf!!"

which is lol
This one's on point.

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I think there's a problem here:





The bits in red refer to the same thing, basically. In the first quote Timi is discussing my take on his opening posts. In the second quote he's talking about Fank's response to my take.

The issue is that Timi is quite understanding with me, yet finds Fank wolfy for liking my post. He can see how I came to the conclusion, yet finds Fank's reply incorrect and therefore wolfy. That seems like a contradiction to me.

timistere
I'd still like Timi to answer this.

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i obv wasn't trying to misinterpret your post. i see what you're saying and it still feels very thin. i think to resolve this i'm gonna hvae to read a few pages of a previous game of yours.
Did this happen? I can't remember.

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i don't think it's a very valid read to make considering he was explaining a vote he made before tappo had explained why he thought what timi said was wolfy(and timi in turn said he understood how it looked)

i guess it is sort of concerning that he didn't re-evaluate and change his vote or whatever later on but i don't think what tappo pointed out is that wolfy.

all that being said, timi doesn't strike me as very villagery overall either ;p
Timi's done something "concerning" and doesn't strike Leo as very villagery, but Leo still defends him.

Eh, it's probably okay.

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i would also like to say that i think it's a bit against the spirit of the game to share specific things that you have talked about in mason chat

i know the rule is just that you can't post mason chat in here, but i also think it's something that is difficult to replicate as a wolf if people start spouting off about the theories or whatever stuff their mason said, which is basically why the rule for not posting the chat was made
Wolfy.

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Has my partner outted us yet?

Do we have any votes?

If not, I am gonna go slank.
Ugh.

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i think i have a unique perspective on reddboiler's lists post because i've seen him do it befoer and i think i was there for the origin when he thought it was a good idea. let me see if i can elaborate and hopefully you and others (particularly donk who was reading into it) can help me figure it out.

i think it first started in a game i was in with redd and SIU. SIU posted his notes that looked similar about 3/4 of the way through d1 and was all but insta cleared for it.

the next game i play with reddboiler he posts his notes just like that. i call him out for it saying he saw someone get cleared for it so he could easily be doing the same thing for credit. he was villaging.

lotr i dont recall him doing that and he was a wolf, but it was a mishmash so w/e

this game he does it again. but since it was so early and so inclusive (like every post is there somewhere)... it just feels insincere and way forced.

so im leaning towards reddboiler = w for that post

having said that, his tunneling timistere with some thin multiquotes is his typical villager tell
Well, that went nowhere slowly. I guess I'd like to see Xkf weight the evidence, instead of just arguing that Redd had done a wolfy thing and a villagery thing.

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i liked the things that forsy pointed out about thingy

those are things that i would point to as villager points in his favor, and also the way he engaged well named with the "you would read me better if you were a villager"

i would like it more if he hadn't backed down by saying his posting thus far hadn't been villagery but i agree that post where he was like "i'm spewed villager" was really villagery
Okay, Leo noticed that Thingy's posting got less controlled.

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Its probably a good thing that I know timi is a villager cause that dudes posting his hella wolfy from my perspective.
I don't like this levelly stuff.

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all my experiences with tappo he makes a lot of sense and explains himself extremely clearly and he has been a villager every time
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but the db has him as a goat wolf
Xkf does quite a bit of hedging on n1. I wonder if that could be some sort of a tell for him.

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Here is your first actual wolf ladies and gentleman.

1) dont you dare soft defend iversonian like this (hes not even your hydra); this post literally oozes that you know iversonian is a villager
2) dont you dare give mets a villager lean that lightly

Tone reads are sick.
No tone reads in that post, though.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:13 AM   #1884
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Mets was pretty adamant that he was going to peek Bhuber the night he got NK'd. If he didnt get NK'd for peeking Leafs/Kruze wolf he may have been nk'd for giving off a seer vibe and planning on peekeing Bhuber imo
The part where he gives off a seer vibe should be enough on its own.

A wolf peek would be in some ways be better for the wolves than a villager peek - depends on spew, of course. A seer with two live villager peeks should be trying to peek another villager.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #1885
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The part where he gives off a seer vibe should be enough on its own.

A wolf peek would be in some ways be better for the wolves than a villager peek - depends on spew, of course. A seer with two live villager peeks should be trying to peek another villager.
That may be true but I dont think everyone sees it like that. I certainly dont. If I'm a wolf and I know I'm being peeked by Player X tonight, I'm going to night kill him in the event that he is the seer.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:21 AM   #1886
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Tappo while you are around tell me what you think about my preferred lynch order with Kruze/Leafs today.


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Basically we have 3 lynches to hit 2 wolves amongst

Bhuber/Timi
Leafs/Kruze
Leo/Gambit
Xkf
Klaivic


Say we dont lynch Leafs/Kruze or Leo/Gambit today - we guess on one of Bhuber/Timi , Xkf, or Klaivic. IF we on them and lynch a villager

we are down to two lynches having to hit two wolves and 4 pairs are not cleared still
Leo/Gambit
Leafs/Kruze

2 of
Xkf
Klaivic
Bhuber/Timi



HOWEVER - if we lynch Kruze/Leafs - even if they are a villager
it clears Leo/Gambit

so we have to hit two wolves amongst three players:
Bhuber/Timi
Xkf
Klaivic


I hope that makes sense to everyone
I think lynching Kruze/Leafs basically increases our odds of winning - despite their role.
I'd like to hear someone comment on this
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:21 AM   #1887
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**** Dead po-- wait, what?

good morning

tappo, carry on, feel free to wreck some fools -- I'll be back late afternoon/early evening
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:23 AM   #1888
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yeah, morning and all that crap, I'm not even gonna bother today, it's pretty clear what is going to happen.

bhuber

Prob best for village thingy died thou because I thought he was a wolf, he was all over the place so much.

Also I would be very aware of redd this game, he is being super hyper bouncy and strange.

Later.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:26 AM   #1889
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one more thing, Unsure why everyone has me n kruze and leo/gambit tied together but I find it unsettling and ask myself what's the real reason people are making this comparison.

Seems to me it's because everyone thinks we are wolves so by building up the 2 pairs you think you can just quote those posts and lynch leo/gambit?

anyways w/e later
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yeah, morning and all that crap, I'm not even gonna bother today, it's pretty clear what is going to happen.

bhuber

Prob best for village thingy died thou because I thought he was a wolf, he was all over the place so much.

Also I would be very aware of redd this game, he is being super hyper bouncy and strange.

Later.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:28 AM   #1891
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wow that's kinda tiliting me, so been saving this avatar for this exact moment reddwoat

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wow that's kinda tiliting me, so been saving this avatar for this exact moment reddwoat

lol ouch really?
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leafs,

At the risk of sounding like a jerk -- don't be a damn pussy. If somehow you're a villager here, do work, get your thoughts out, sack up and be useful. For one thing it might just possibly clear you or something; for another it may actually help your team, you know, win the game.
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Redd, that lynch order makes mechanical sense. Whether I want to go with it depends on whether I can clear Leafs/Kruze today. If I can do it and feel confident about it, I'm liable to advocate for lynching out of Xkf/Boobertimi/Newbieklairic.

Right now I think they've been villagery, but haven't spewed themselves villagers quite to the extent I'd like.
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Basically, what I want is for Kruze to behave as if this is F3.
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I'm terrified of being in a f3 with say Leafs/Kruze and then one of Xkf or Klairic/NOtyour

If Leafs is a villager - how am I ever going ot vote for Klairic/Notyour or Xkf when there is still a slight chance the peek is Leafs/Kruze wolf?

I'd much rather either lynch a wolf in Kruze/Leafs or be forced to pick between Xkf / Klairic/Notyour at f3.
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Also - if we guess wrong and lynch a villager today and leave Leafs/Kruze in teh game - if they are a villager we are 100% losing because with two wolves left there is no way we lynch two others over them.
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Anyways I dont think there is anything left for me to add at the moment. I'm going to be away for a while - I'll be back later in the day.
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Re: Battle of Hydras Werewolf Game

I Don't blame you for those thoughts Redd, just an extremly tough spot to be in.

Walk in late, kill a villa when i wanted gt first instinct, met's fps etc.

But It's not must lynch, so +1 to us.

My advice kill boober/timiscaredaway, we may never have to get to ML

And to anyone saying I would kill thingy.....LOL he practically whiteknighted me yesterday and he was my biggest pain in the ass this game questioning me so much.

So yeah, LOL @ whoever said that earlier today.
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