but then again, why vote with someone who I know is a villager when I can vote with bhuber and redd

and Sonmi I'm not even saying you have to trust me. But even if I'm a wolf that means Globe, Luckbox, and Bhuber all have to be villagers right?


So pick out 2 of those players you think you can trust and let them determine your vote if you are a villager. Trust me - you'll be commended far more for admitting you are not on it this game and sponging people who are, rather than continuing ot be wrong and cost us the game.

If luckbox, bhuber, or globe comes in here and tries to convince me to vote in a different way, perhaps I will listen. No one has made a convincing case or voted yet, so why should I not voice my opinion?

Your brilliant, oft-repeated advice is not to think for yourself in ww games. It's really great that you've bestowed upon me this wondrous gift.

I already addressed the EoD in question, and as far as today, who's to say I won't be swayed by a good case on another player?

As far as what I'll be commended for - not that I really care - but I would that that I would be commended the most for winning the game. If you're a wolf, then obviously right now I'm doing the best possible thing that I can be doing.


Redd, I hope you realize that every single one of your posts is addressed to me like I'm villager. You literally qualify each one with what the case would be "if I'm a villager" and keep telling me how to improve my game. This is why I think you're a wolf.

I address all of my posts to you as if I"m 99.9% sure you are a wolf - which is probably much more wolfy than being 50/50 on you.

And I dont think everyone should not think for themselves in WW - I just think specifically YOU shouldnt anymore if you are a villager this game because you've been that bad this game.

I can sit here and confirm all of your reads have been wrong

d1 Large Monster > VMF WRONG
D2 Me > VMF WRONG
D3 Quarr > Xkf WRONG
D4 Unvote > Xkf WRONG

Today Me > anyone else WRONG


You are 0-4 and trying to make it 0-5 today my friend.

You seem like an intelligent guy so its hard for me to believe you keep making these "innocent" blunders. Reason 4,345 i have to believe you are a wolf.


But hey, if they are innocent blunders, since I think you to be intelligent, I'm also hoping you are intelligent enough to realize our best chance of winning if you are a villager is to listen to others since you just dont have it this game.

Trying to lynch me at this point is awful - I should be so clear in your mind that you arent even considering me as the remaining wolf in your mind.

I'm going to poitn this out to you one more time - I'm convinced you are a wolf so there is no convinving me. But, I'd imagine you can still convince Bhuber and Luckbox since they think you are a villager. If you are a villager - you need to listen to them and lynch Globe since that will likely win us the game if you are a villager.

You and Globe in any order should 100% win this for us.

If Bhuber or Luckbox is the remaining wolf they deserve to win because I've gone past the point of even considering them. I'll never lynch one of them over you and Globe.

And again - theres no shame in that. In fact, in postgame I'll give you props for having the awareness to swallow your pride and let the rest of us villagers lead the charge to victory.

and yet, you still feel the need to repeat, over and over again, how I could be playing better IF I'm a villager? Please. You're certainly spending a lot of time on giving me advice that will apply 1 time in every thousand.




This is what we call an ad hominem argument; it's an informal logical fallacy. Attacking my authority in an attempt to make my current argument seem less valid. It's irrelevant.


I'm still facepalming at the fact that you think that if I'm a villager, and suddenly decide to start playing well and listening to my betters, I should happily accept my own, imminent lynch.

Here's why you need to die: you're set on going me >globe, and I'm not convinced that he's the wolf, and I know it's not me. If I let myself die today, and you live, there's a very, very high chance we lose the game at f3, even if you're a villager, though I doubt it. When you make statements like "luckbox or bhuber have already won the game if one of them is the wolf", it's wolfy, or at least bad. Like I said earlier, you have already outlined your road to victory, and are pursuing it unwaveringly. Luckbox still has doubts. I have doubts. Why don't you? There are still 3 realtime days of play left. It's very, very wolfy that you're treating this as something which is so cut-and-dried.

If you are a villager it should be obvious that the most likely wolf remaining is Globe and that should be who you would want lynched.

But you arent a villager - you are a wolf and know that even if you get Globe mislynched - it means you are sitting at a final 3 as an all but outted wolf with 2 of me/bhuber/luck as nearly lock clear villagers.


and as far as the cut and dry - I'm treating it as if its cut and dry because it is cut and dry - its either you or Globe at this point. Lynching any of me/bhuber/luck over the two wolfiest plaeyrs who continually saved VMF and Xkf everyday they could would be as dumb as sniping Quarrr at 9PM over Xkf.

As far as listening to one's betters, Redd, you could stand to take some of your own advice.

Luckbox is the best villager in this game, and one of the best in POG, and no I'm not just saying this because he's clearing me itt. I say it whenever I get the chance. Pretty sure I pointed it out just last game before Euro shot him in POG Corral.

He thinks bhuber is a likelier wolf than I am, or at least he said that last night. What do you think about that? That's someone who you've cleared 100%, and have already vowed to lose to if he is actually a wolf. If bhuber is a wolf and you lynch me today, he NKs luckbox and rides to victory on your plan to kill globe at f3.

You are a wolf because you will not consider other possibilities and you're down to just give the game away to 50% of the playing field "if they're wolves". You have an unrealistic perception of how clear luckbox and bhuber should be in the eyes of a villager, because your read of them is made up. You never had to try to discern their roles, because you have known them all game. Thus, you cannot perceive how someone likely luckbox or myself might have doubts about it.

That I think you're a wolf is one reason I want to lynch you. The other is that if you are a villager, you will likely cost us the game at f3.

Okay, except it isn't obvious because I don't think that globe and xkf play eod1 and sod2 together as wolves like they did with any chance of actually winning the game. Can't remember if I've said that before, maybe not. That's probably the confusion between us, my bad.

qfclear


well, it's not me. might be globe, prob not

you certainly have strange views about what I should think if I'm a villager, considering I am a villager and think none of them

Sonmi - thats hilarious coming from you considering if you are a villager you tried your hardest to keep the wolves in teh game by protecting VMF days 1 and 2 and then sniping Quarrr over Xkf.


You dont have a case bro. Just admit it - you played horribly. I get that you had to try and keep VMF alive day 1 but you overplayed your hand. Instead of making a couple of posts calling him a villager, you decided to devote 90% of your posts to clearing him as a villager for no reasons at all.



Then - as you had everyone but me convinced you still might be a villager, you go and do the dumbest thing you can ever do as a wolf and snipe Quarrr over Xkf at exactly 9.


Its so obvious you are the wolf here.


Your whole case on me is centered around that I've got wolves lynched.


"The fact that Redd got VMF lynched means he had TMI." LOL


You are as desperate as I've seen someone in WW.


The part that gives me confidence is either way I'm right

Day 1 I made a read post on nearly every player in the game that said You, Xkf, VMF, and Globe were the likeliest wolves.

So either way whether its you or Globe I owned the wolf team. The fact that I figured out its you over Globe means I then even owned you guys even more.


I am the #1 reason the village is a favorite to win right now. I took the village on my back and demanded we lynch VMF. Then, I demanded we lynch you/xkf/globe.

Even as LKJ and the villager between you/globe fell for the wolf trap and lynched Quarr, the plan is still in tact as we have a mislynch left and 2 people that need to be lynched for us to win.


I am far and away the village MVP this game calling a confirmed 2 wolves on day 1 - then having the last wolf pinned between you and Globe - and I'm pretty proud of how well I've played because my village game has come a long way. I completely sucked in Speed.


If you are a villager and you're mad I'm set on lynching you, then just imagine how Large Monster felt when you lynched him over an obvious wolf. Imagine how Quarrr felt when you lynched him when it was so obvious he was a villager. and Imagine how I felt when you tried lynching me over VMF.

But you arent - you are a wolf

oh jeez, another long post. Is this going to continue all day?

Probably not considering I'm leaving for family thanksgiving here in a little over a half an hour.

But while I"m here, as long as you keep spouting BS and nonsense, I'll be here to immediately shoot it down.

So on day 1

you admit that tomorrow we should probably lynch VMF "or something" but when I go after him it makes me a wolf?

You are all about the idea of lynching VMF until, you know, we actually try to lynch VMF. Then the your idea of looking into VMF "or something" turns into VMF being a villager.

LOL You are such a wolf.

I seriously think you are trolling me right now. None of this is relevant.


Also irrelevant, and I have said that. You're repeating the same stuff.

Somehow you still don't realize, though, that if I'm a wolf, I haven't played horribly. I have played exceptionally.

You continue to treat me like a villager.





It's not obvious to anyone but you. And that's clearly not the dumbest thing ever because I'm not getting heat for it. Granted that I'm only not getting heat for it because I'm a villager, and would have pretty much been insta-lynched if I were a wolf there, because I wouldn't be posting anywhere close to this comfortably.


That's not true, though it is was initially sparked my concern / confusion re: EoD1. Saying that it's the only reason I suspect you is clearly only offering a very narrow perspective, as I've been backing it up all day today. However, I will happily stand behind my previous statement - that your vote on VMF occurred at a time when it didn't seem like he would be the lynch, and that he got CFD'd, and then un-CFD'd.


Unless neither globe or I is the wolf. Again, a possibility you've disregarded.

If it's globe, then I suppose it's safe to say that you have played "well" this game, in that the wolves will have played the early game so horribly that taking the easiest, non-thinkingest approach to lynching them would actually have payed off.


If you get me lynched today, I believe that the village is going to lose, with you heading the way - either as a villager making the wrong decision, or as a wolf, getting the mislynch you need. Your inability to lynch anyone other than globe or myself backs this.

I'm not mad that you're set on lynching me, I just think you're a wolf, and I don't think that you have a successful endgame plan for the village.

The one part that you won't acknowledge is that the wolf could still be someone other than me or globe. Which means what while you may have gotten some woofs early on, your plan will ultimately result in a village loss. If you are a villager, it's just ... sort of an arrogant approach to take.

If globe is a villager, btw, which I think he is, everything I've been saying since d2 will be 100% justified. If he's a wolf, then I'll post some thumbs and slink away. (referring to postgame I guess)

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Everything, everything you said in the post I'm responding to it's centered around being sure the wolf is me or globe. And most of the rest is bragging about how well you've played / how much you've bussed.

Again, it's inconceivable to me that a villager would be this set on his endgame plan. Who did bhuber vote on d3? Globe! Not even a little bit suspicious? Nope, he's lock clear. LACK. CLAIRE.

This post probably spews Luckbox villager - considering VMF attacks Luckbox for calling Xkf a wolf and tries to discredit him.

Oh my gosh, what is this - an original post about why I might be a wolf? I am honestly impressed. I didn't think we'd see many of these round these parts coming from you, redd. I had grown so comfortable with hearing the exact same criticisms over and over without and support.


When you went after him baselessly, and hard, yes, it made me suspicious. You were like "we are lynching vmf" and I didn't think it was justified.

Good, as long as we have an end time set. This is getting tiring.

Bhuber tried calling for a Xkf CFD on more than 1 day IIRC - so yes like I've stated multiple times I'm not suspecting him over you and Globe.

And the fact that you saved VMF and Xkf is as relevant as it gets in thsi game.

Calling it irrelevant is yet even more evidence you are a wolf. Of course you dont want that to be relevant information because it points out the obvious - you didnt want VMF or Xkf lynched.


Keep trying to cast doubt on anyone you can though

Okay, here is a post for people who are not redd - I realize not many of mine recently will probably be read by anyone else.

Redd was pretending to already be 100% confident that luckbox was a villager, and that the next 2 lynches were set. Now that I've made it clear that he looks bad because of it, he's suddenly looking for reasons to justify his clearance of luckbox?

It makes no sense to post this when in his mind, the wolf is one of me or glove every, single, time. I guess the only other argument that could be made is that he's trying to convince someone else that luckbox is a villager, but I really don't know who that would be because afaik no one has mentioned lynching luckbox for days.

Forsy if this is getting tiring then stop antagonizing me. Its obvious you are trolling me when you keep calling things I'm bringing up that look bad for you irrelevant.

Go on - put me on ignore.

"oh its so tiring that you keep pointing out the obvious reasons I'm a wolf but I just cant stop quoting your posts Redd!"


On a scale of 1-furious, how mad are you that I caught you when everyone had you cleared as a villager?


You seem to be on a 7.5 level right now, but it feels like its steadily rising.

Of course the votes that people make in the game are relevant. lol? What was irrelevant was that you were using it as evidence to refute my specific point, which was that a very skilled villager (at least, someone who you have as a lock) disagrees with the tack you are taking re: today's lynch. (also someone who, yknow, has meta with me but w/e). You had spent like 5 posts telling me how to get better at ww by listening to people, and I was returning the favor. To which you responded "you made bad voats LOL". Do you now see why I called it irrelevant?

Calls me wolfy for not considering Bhuber or Luckbox.


Then when I point out why they are likely villager I'm also wolfy for that.


At this point Forsy is so desperate he has to try and latch on to anything he can to get me lynched and a final 3 that includes him and globe - and hope he can convince one of bhuber or luck ot lynch Globe over him.


Not going ot happen

Do you actually think I'm upset? I would think the difference between how I'm posting now and how I was posting yesterday would be fairly obvious.

I'm not mad because I realize you are doing your best to win the game, and that involves getting my mislynch today.

I don't put people on ignore instead of address their points. Especially when they are so easily refuted.

lol that you are pretending to have caught me when everyone else had me cleared. Listen to your own logic. You say that you, as a wolf, would lay low at f5. Why wouldn't I do the same?

you had stated at least 4 different times that you weren't considering luckbox or bhuber at all. 100%. I pointed out that this was bad, so then you tried to justify it.