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05-05-2008 , 03:51 PM
The last post was in response to Epi.
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05-05-2008 , 03:54 PM
ok, i understand your issue with the bobman thing now. theres no right or wrong answer, it generally boils down to making individual judgement calls.
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05-05-2008 , 04:03 PM
Oh ZT you are such a fun little guy. Your argument has so many gaping holes and honestly you are trying a little too hard. If I must die, fine. As I said above, I realize it is inevitable just because the way I played the game in the beginning, as well as being set up by the wolves regarding the WoR situation, but more on that later. I'll need time to respond to this treasure trove.
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05-05-2008 , 04:10 PM
W L, saying you were set up by the WoR NK is a little disingenuous at best.

How do you find equelibrium with the idea that you were set up by the NK and 64 is a wolf? I cannot find it.
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05-05-2008 , 04:20 PM
ZT:
"D2)
WL jumps in to vote ackbleh with a really contrived reason. Sixfour posts a longish post about WoR "unfairly" attacking WL. Atakdog is all over WL. WL pointing the finger at ack again."


K you realize at D1 and D2 I had no idea what I was doing right? If you are going to implicate me, I don't think using my day 1 or 2 is indicative of my overall performance which I think has been very pro village. If you can please use evidence post day 2 to show how wolfy I am.
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05-05-2008 , 04:26 PM
Sorry I am doing a million things at once. I have SO much to do still on here. The quotes above were a small fraction and then this whole ZT thing. Be back in like 15 mins.
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05-05-2008 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by White Lightning
ZeTurd I am breaking up with you. After all I've done for you? All our long walks on the beach. Who am I kidding we are sole mates, I could never end such a good thing, lol.

Do not worry ZeTurd, I do not think you had line and myself as wrapped around your finger as you may think. I just will never vote for you cause you are a villager.
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Oh and Herbie, you are not on the list of the 1/3 who make bad posts.
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Oh ZT you are such a fun little guy. Your argument has so many gaping holes and honestly you are trying a little too hard. If I must die, fine. As I said above, I realize it is inevitable just because the way I played the game in the beginning, as well as being set up by the wolves regarding the WoR situation, but more on that later. I'll need time to respond to this treasure trove.
WL, I'm really starting to feel we're growing apart here! Hopefully we can have Margaritas on the beach and enjoy a nice sunset some time in the future!

For now though, I'm afraid we have to remain in the trenches. I realize that what I've posted isn't evidence, and there will inevitably be differing interpretations (which I'm looking forward to hear), but when you add it all up, I think everything is pointing in the same direction.

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Maybe I am reading this wrong, but how did ZT know ackbleh wasn't going to get lynched? I am pretty sure I was the deciding vote on that matter and I changed my mind at what? 9:20 or something? I agree Epi is extremely fishy from hsi actions last night with trying to ensure a vote in his favour or what not, but I don't think this argument works.
Well, I couldn't know for sure d'oh, but IIRC he only had three votes, and I would probably have switched from sixfour to line if it came down to that.
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05-05-2008 , 04:29 PM
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ZT:
"D2)
WL jumps in to vote ackbleh with a really contrived reason. Sixfour posts a longish post about WoR "unfairly" attacking WL. Atakdog is all over WL. WL pointing the finger at ack again."


K you realize at D1 and D2 I had no idea what I was doing right? If you are going to implicate me, I don't think using my day 1 or 2 is indicative of my overall performance which I think has been very pro village. If you can please use evidence post day 2 to show how wolfy I am.
I'm on it. Will probably post a longish post, potentially full of gaping holes, some time in the near future!
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05-05-2008 , 04:48 PM
We're lynching line tonight though, right?
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05-05-2008 , 04:49 PM
Where are the wagons currently?
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05-05-2008 , 04:51 PM
I do think at some point in the near future I'm going to have to go back and re-justify the fact that I'm clearing Hitch in my mind. ZeTurd re-justifies my clearing of him with every post he makes so I'm still totally ok with that one.
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05-05-2008 , 04:58 PM
Before I go into any specifics, I don't realize why you are all trying to make cases against me. I have said I agree with you that I must die for the best interests of the village. It is just up to you when.
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05-05-2008 , 05:00 PM
WL,
we have one mislynch left, and two people agreeing that they probably have to die. if you're a villager, we're in trouble if both our offers get taken up...
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05-05-2008 , 05:15 PM
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I do think at some point in the near future I'm going to have to go back and re-justify the fact that I'm clearing Hitch in my mind. ZeTurd re-justifies my clearing of him with every post he makes so I'm still totally ok with that one.
Having reread up until around Day 4-ish now, I gotta say that if Hitch is a wolf, then wp, gg. I can't "clear" him though, but I mean, I just can't see how I'd want to ever go for him before the four of epi, line, WL, and to a lesser degree Ack.
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Before I go into any specifics, I don't realize why you are all trying to make cases against me. I have said I agree with you that I must die for the best interests of the village. It is just up to you when.
Well, one reason could be that your postings and actions, if you're a wolf, are linked to the other two remaining wolfs. Unless you've been playing some kind of spectatular variant where all the wolves' actions have been totally independent, it's obviously interesting to look back at your posts.

Btw, if you were set up, who do you think are the likely wolves behind the setup?
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05-05-2008 , 05:25 PM
HERBIE:
"I think this is something wolves say far more often than villagers because I don't think villagers usually think in these terms. I guess I'll wait for the "supporting evidence" post but the reason this line of thinking is so wolfy is that wolves are trying to accomplish a known goal in every game (get a certain number of mislynches and make sure a villager lives until the end) so taking one villager and one wolf and tying them together like this is very very effective for wolves because if the wolf is lynched first it gives them a reason to them go after a villager and if the villager is lynched first it gives them a reason to defend the wolf. For a villager to determine something like "sixfour/WL are likely the same faction" is MUCH harder than thinking about each of their roles individually - that's why villagers usually don't say things like that. Especially for someone who has been too busy to spend a lot of time on the game I think this is a very odd conclusion for a villager to draw here."

This was Herbie's response to Ackbleh pointing the finger at me. First of all, when it was a tie between line and 64, why didn't I change my vote to line last second like Herbie? I wouldn't have recieved any heat for it and probably would have increased my village status, but I didn't. If I was a wolf and it was that easy to save my buddy, why wouldn't I? What evidence is there to tie me to 64? I have argued bobman was setting me up as an effort to save 64 by voting 64 and not me the logically choice. Why would a peeked wolf come out with this at all to injure two wolves? It makes no sense. Bobman is not a stupid player and that would have been absolute idiocy.

Now to Herbie's post. What happened to pressuring ackbleh? These are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. If you apply this formula to me, could I ever fit this formula? I don't think so. If you read my posts from day 3 onwards I think it is clear where my loyalties lie (with the village).
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05-05-2008 , 05:27 PM
wat
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05-05-2008 , 05:42 PM
And something else you will have to piece out my number one fans (ZT, Hitch, Ack), if line and 64 are my wolf buddies what did I have to gain by voting 64 over line? If line died a wolf then 64 would have a greater chance of survival today because he had supporters in epi, soah, and herbie. If line wasn't a wolf, 64 may have gotten off today just as easily. Line would have been a disasterous choice for my wolfy self to support. There was no way he would get off the hook and the only explanation I feel you can give to link me as a wolf with 64 and line is if I am a huge dumbass!
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05-05-2008 , 05:43 PM
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WAT

Wtf would vader lie about his peeks?? That just doesn't make any sense....

Aaaannnnyyywwwwwaaaayyyys, looks like wizard of raise was a seerhunt. (At least, if I were a wolf, I would have been seerhunting. If. If you take my meaning.) I'd say we should lynch sixfour.

Half-seer should probably come out right about now too, I think.
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Hold on a second! Bobman ignoring me is an attempt to get me lynched so the village loses 2 more villagers on the weekend!! No one can honestly believe his attempt to shield 64, his comrade in arms. If Bob votes 64 while ignoring me, everyone is going to remember wizard voting for me in the first 2 days and wonder why Bobman isn’t mentioning that at all. What are the motives of a dying wolf? He wants villager confusion so we lynch each other and the wolves pick us off 2 by 2 every night. I am not going to stand by and let this happen. We must lynch bob obviously tonight, but 64 must follow.

If I was a wolf you would think I would have Xed WoR a long time ago before he could peek any other pandas. Yet for those 2 days he voted for me, he lived without a scratch. As soon as he suspects 64 though... 64 and Bobman are wolf buddies and obviously experienced players because they killed atakdog for whatever reason leaving vader alive. If I was a wolf I definitely would have killed vader the night he came out, no questions asked! I don't really understand the kills the wolves make, but they are obvious attempts to set up innocent people so we are left divided and easy pickings.
OK, these posts genuinely worry me.

Bah, you've sounded so good on tone WL, but all the actions are leading to you. Are you really this clever? Rereading right now makes me want to substitute you for Ack, but then my whole 'theorem' falls apart, since it was based on the interaction between WL - epi - line. OK, will continue rereading with a slightly more open mind now.
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05-05-2008 , 05:49 PM
[1] Ackbleh votes line
[1] Epicurus votes ackbleh
[0] FCBLComish
[3] line (__________) votes epi
[0] reno expat
[0] riverfish1/Herbie votes line
[0] The_Hitch votes line
[0] White Lightning
[0] ZeTurd
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05-05-2008 , 05:50 PM
^^I think that's right, let me know if not.
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05-05-2008 , 05:56 PM
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we have 2 assumed seer-confirmed villagers (fcbl and reno)
assuming further analysis supports clearing line (big IF), then herbie is clear from casting the deciding vote to kill 64 over line.
Which leaves...
WL/epi wolves, with one of ZeTurd and Hitch.

I'm going to think through yesterday first to see if I want to clear line (and thus herbie) from last night, then will reread and consider zeturd and hitch while I compose the epi post.
Oh man; I really don't like this post. Speaking of if's... if line/ack are wolves this sure is a fine recipe for disaster.

I've got some more work to do today, but I'm happy with an epi vote, but even happier with a line vote.
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05-05-2008 , 05:56 PM
Eh, unvote. Didn't know that line had so many votes.
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05-05-2008 , 05:59 PM
It's 5 for majority.

I'm leaving my vote on line for now.


I am going to bed soon so if people want me t unvote/change votes, now is the time.
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05-05-2008 , 06:04 PM
i'm all for a line lynch but i won't be voting until about 9:58. hopefully i have some time to do something useful tonight but i dunno. work gets complicated when you are accused of being part of a criminal conspiracy to disenfranchise voters
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05-05-2008 , 06:11 PM
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i'm all for a line lynch but i won't be voting until about 9:58. hopefully i have some time to do something useful tonight but i dunno. work gets complicated when you are accused of being part of a criminal conspiracy to disenfranchise voters
Ok, so either Obama campaigner or government official in Zimbabwe, amirite?
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