I just won a game at F3 on my home site, web ad no seer in that game. I felt the same way as Evene, it was frustrating because no new information injected into the game.

Also, having a seer means villagers leaving seer cover, and eves seer hunting, and those are fun parts of the game.

Prob only BATM would think about angel cover and correctly rep the save.

See, I don't like that whole sub-game of seer cover and fake peeks. To me it feels like it gets away from the essence of what ww is about. The game becomes too centred on the seer. Villas living to sacrifice themselves for the seer and draw NKs instead of investigating and trying to solve the game. It makes the village over-reliant on the info gained from the seer.

Just my view, of course.

Yeah the game becomes completely focused on the seer. Takes away scumhunting skills and plays. New information is gained by flips not sure why people think there is no new information.
JvK is correct.

You definitely can still get info from flips yeah

we just kind of got a lot of it early and at once here with the wolf lynches d1 and d2 which I guess gives a feel of less info later but oh well

I'm not fond of all that seer stuff either and I think people overrely on them

No JVK is NOT correct I can prove it!

baudib u are peeked wolf

gg

My game is over gg

I mean seers and other specials add a totally different dynamic beyond that.

Seers act wolfy compared to vanillagers because they have an agenda. They have to protect their peeks without outing themselves. This offers a lot of different lines to take as seer or vanillager.

It obviously adds a different dimension to the game for wolves as well. Seerhunting is fun.

I like a seer in the context of a mash. For example, in Haters 3, we were able to piece together a lot of info based on what happened in the game, special roles, ITAs, etc. all that is cool, and the seer element is just another layer in the game.

With vanilla, the seer becomes the only thing too often. What's a villa's job, to look for wolves and try to get him or herself cleared, or to ... Trick wolves into thinking he or she is the seer and draw the NK?

Fraley won this game through getting misread. That's good on him.

Some people might recall the game I wolfed with Kawa and Killer where I was a consensus villa read for the whole game until seer BATM (somehow) decided to peek me n4. On top of that Kawa decided to fake claim seer day 4. And my dreams of a clean sweep evaporated into dust. And it was 100% down to seer ****.

I dunno, that sort of thing rankles with me. The village were getting destroyed and one little thing turned the game in a six pence.

The no seer thing definitely makes the angel dynamic different.

In a seer game, The angel is trying to protect the seer and wolves are either trying to kill who they think is the seer or else go totally elsewhere to a villager who hasn't pretended to be seer.

Without the seer, that all changes. The angel is trying to protect who they think will be killed and usually that is the most villagery people. THe wolves simimarly are trying to hang onto people they can get mislynched while dodging the angel. It is definitely more of a cat and mouse game weighted more to the angel. Wolves can pretty much destroy in a seer + angel game as the angel will more frequently miss I think.

Evene,

Make sure you rand wolf in the next no seer game. I think you might enjoy it more, though I don't think it's necessarily pro-wolf.

Pretty lucky for you I had to abandon ship because gf went pms
Otherwise I'd power lunch u easily

Qq is a good player, arguably one of the best I've ever played with.

Better than Lord?

Ace, I am a low tier player of no real repute. I am aware of this, so no need to rub it in.

Lord,

I am rubbing it in because it is fun to give you a hard time. You have had moments of greatness and moments of wutness. I had the impression you would take it all in good spirit. I will stop if the comments are not fun for you though. You are also welcome to return the gesture. I am hardly a good player myself, and there are many things I've already done in my limited werewolf career that would be easy to make fun of.

You should stop.

This is ****ing laughable

No seer takes away the only interesting part of wolfing.

I already miss following this game.

wilv, for sure we need to run a FNF game

I know I'm new to forum Mafia but I personally think no seer was fun, I think having to solve the game was a large part of why ww was fun for me. In the super turbo Mafia games I used to play there was 1 Mafia out of the three "the godfather" which peeked as town, so there is seer but u also have to do some game solving and can't just rely on a star performance from ur seer to auto win. Just a suggestion, could be fun

I see what you mean.

Personally, I find it lots of fun as a wolf to go through player histories of previous games and the current game so that I can make legitimate cases for why they are probably a wolf. Not having to worry about the seer peeking me leaves me more freedom to play as a lock villa doing good work

Cyber,

That also sounds like a fun setup!!!

Yeah, u owned me with that, but it was my first game so it doesn't count

What? Having no seer makes wolfing far more interesting.