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06-24-2010 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Well I was going to save this post, but I guess now is a good time.

As that above post was the first I had ever entered in a game of WW, it was not without prior contemplation, and I did have a plan about how I was going to enter the game.

The post I made was intended to look slightly wolfish, but not over the top. I wanted to do this in an attempt to bring a wolf or two out against me. I wanted to make myself an easy target for wolfs to come after on D1. By making a comment like I did, I would fully expect for at least one of the wolves in this thread to immediately jump onto my back.

My current reads are:
WN: villager
GT: villager
Systolic: wolf
Swiitch: wolf
This seems like a blatant case of post-facto reasoning, and the "I was intending to look like a wolf" screams "****, these players are good, and they got me, how do I get out of it? Oh, I know! I'll act like I meant to say that and attack the people who attacked me!"

I did this a bazillion times as a beginner wolf.
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06-24-2010 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gtpitch
Oh god - please don't do that.
What I said was such a blatant off-topic, being new made it the perfect bait for wolves imo.

Anyone have a similar read of the situation?
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06-24-2010 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
Asking for Sun to be his mason right after a game where Titan was a wolf and Sun was a villager. All this before Sun has posted. Pre-emptively trying to buddy up?
Villagers ask people to mason all the time. It's probably even less a wolf tell when it's with someone that hasn't posted yet. At worst it's completely null, and I don't really believe swiitch read that post and was like "zomg, wolf wants to mason with sun!"

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A weird parallel to draw, a weird reason to call someone a wolf, just because it happened once, it doesn't mean it's that way this time, and all that.
By weird you just mean "not reasonable" or "illogical"

But swiitch knows that people who come up with random slightly illogical or paranoid theories about why so and so is a wolf tend to be villagers, this seems pretty made up.

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First, he calls him wolfy with the wink, then he takes it back. Sure, he's probably joking, but then he goes into the "but for reals, I think you're villagery for giving me the reason why you think I'm wolfy". It strikes me as wolfy.
Pretty obviously the wink is a joke, based on the fact that the reasoning he's responding to can be used in the same way to say "Oh then you must be a wolf (since I know I'm a villager)"

I don't think it makes sense to call someone a villager just because they can provide a reason, except for people who are really bad at it, wolves will tend to be able to give reasons for reads, c.f swiitch's reads...

But it's not really wolfy.

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And this is the wolfiest of them all. Granted, he is a new player, but new or not, this is one of those posts that piques my wolfdar. He enters the thread with a nothing kind of post, asking about something totally unrelated to the game.
I'll allow this one. The followup explanation is kinda weird too.

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So me saying all 4 were wolves is over the top, true. gtp had not been wolfy to that point (and still isn't), but the other 3 guys had all posted something I found at least slightly, and in some cases, more than slightly, wolfy.
So I don't mind you being serious early or think that's wolfy, but it's wolfy to supposedly be in serious mode early and then call 4 people wolves when you only actually find 3 of them wolfy, and it's wolfy to do it in a joking manner rather than say, quoting the posts and doing what you did here.
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06-24-2010 , 11:10 AM
I wanted to dismiss the ipod remark as role neutral, but Larry's recent post kind of supplements the notion that he is a wolf imo.
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06-24-2010 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Systolic
Question to the good players (swiitch, gtp, WN)-

If I have a case on a player that I feel could potentially be very strong right now, do I hold it to let it develop a bit more, or do I state it now and possibly give the perpetrator a chance to cover his tracks?
Do whatever you feel is correct. I have done both in the past, and I feel like they both worked.

However, just by mentioning you have a good case on someone, you might set them on edge a bit, so that can aid in your case down the road (if that makes sense - just by mentioning that you think you have a wolf, can put some wolves on the defensive.).

Sun kind of let me have it a couple of games ago when I dropped a line that I had an early wolf lean, but then a few posts later I eliminated him from contention.
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06-24-2010 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
What I said was such a blatant off-topic, being new made it the perfect bait for wolves imo.

Anyone have a similar read of the situation?
This is poor logic. As a villager your number one goal should be to clear yourself by hunting for wolves, not by attempting to take the thread down a path that has nothing to do with finding wolves/clearing villagers.
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06-24-2010 , 11:12 AM
Systolic, you are so wolfy to me right now.
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06-24-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Systolic
This is poor logic. As a villager your number one goal should be to clear yourself by hunting for wolves, not by attempting to take the thread down a path that has nothing to do with finding wolves/clearing villagers.
but it did, DUCY
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06-24-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Well I was going to save this post, but I guess now is a good time.

As that above post was the first I had ever entered in a game of WW, it was not without prior contemplation, and I did have a plan about how I was going to enter the game.

The post I made was intended to look slightly wolfish, but not over the top. I wanted to do this in an attempt to bring a wolf or two out against me. I wanted to make myself an easy target for wolfs to come after on D1. By making a comment like I did, I would fully expect for at least one of the wolves in this thread to immediately jump onto my back.

My current reads are:
WN: villager
GT: villager
Systolic: wolf
Swiitch: wolf
People who say that they made a post that they intended to look wolfy, I find wolfy.
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06-24-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
You mark that frame an 8, you are entering a world of pain
clear through day 1, ldo

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Originally Posted by Swiitch
Is this from the movie?

I am going to sheepishly admit that I've never seen the movie, even though I have heard from several people that it's really good.
wolf, ldo

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Originally Posted by Swiitch


A weird parallel to draw, a weird reason to call someone a wolf, just because it happened once, it doesn't mean it's that way this time, and all that.
I understand that it looks weird, but I think that if Titan truely believed that posting early talking with people was wolfy then as a wolf he wouldn't be doing it. However,if that is the case, I now wonder why post something you really don't believe?

p.s. this opening post is pedobear approved
p.p.s. Before its asked, no i dont think swiitch/WN are wolfy/clear for the first two posts I quoted.
p.p.s. bowling anyone?
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06-24-2010 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Systolic
This is poor logic. As a villager your number one goal should be to clear yourself by hunting for wolves, not by attempting to take the thread down a path that has nothing to do with finding wolves/clearing villagers.
I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but the fact that you said this made me smile
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06-24-2010 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Systolic, you are so wolfy to me right now.
I am wolfy to you because I am attacking you. However, you have to understand that as a villager, my job is to find wolves. I am going to point out interactions and posts that strike me as wolfy. It is unfortunate for you that you have been the wolfiest to me, and I can understand how it might frustrate you towards me to be called a wolf by me, but that does not make me inherently wolfy.
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06-24-2010 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
People who say that they made a post that they intended to look wolfy, I find wolfy.
This is true, but he is new, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it is his newb villager defensive mechanism

you on the other hand could be easily be pushing for his mislynch
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06-24-2010 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
but it did, DUCY
It really didn't, if you ask me.

I know I'm not a wolf, and I believe pretty strongly that Systolic is not a wolf, either.
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06-24-2010 , 11:17 AM
I'm also aware that systo is pushing for his lynch, but does it strike anyone other than me that systo seems more genuinely wolfhunting than Switch?
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06-24-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
I am saying I CAN do it in both roles, but as a villager I'm right more.

In the past I've only done it as a wolf. In this game I'm a villager. I said you were "covering your wolf partner". That breaks the streak of reads-when-wolf.
You're still making no sense. Because the "covering your wolf partner" is at least a logical, albeit wrong, thing to say.

What I'm asking is if you intend to quote posts and just say "obvious w/w" with no reasoning to them in this game.

You seem to be saying you only do that as a wolf so that's good.

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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
Me.



Self-contradiction?
I'm not soft pushing you.

How is it a self contradiction. I'm asking you for your sample size. You're saying that you "used to do it as a wolf" which, to me, implies a fairly large sample size. I'm under the impression you've played only a handful of long games. Am I right or wrong? That's all I'm asking.

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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
When I said soft-pushing, I was referring to the use of the word "weird post", which is a pretty wolfy phrase imo.
Lol no its not.
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06-24-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Systolic
I am wolfy to you because I am attacking you. However, you have to understand that as a villager, my job is to find wolves. I am going to point out interactions and posts that strike me as wolfy. It is unfortunate for you that you have been the wolfiest to me, and I can understand how it might frustrate you towards me to be called a wolf by me, but that does not make me inherently wolfy.
Sounds very very defensive..... if you have a strong read on me, you should not be concerned with how I feel.
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06-24-2010 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gtpitch
You're still making no sense. Because the "covering your wolf partner" is at least a logical, albeit wrong, thing to say.

What I'm asking is if you intend to quote posts and just say "obvious w/w" with no reasoning to them in this game.

You seem to be saying you only do that as a wolf so that's good.



I'm not soft pushing you.

How is it a self contradiction. I'm asking you for your sample size. You're saying that you "used to do it as a wolf" which, to me, implies a fairly large sample size. I'm under the impression you've played only a handful of long games. Am I right or wrong? That's all I'm asking.



Lol no its not.
The fact that you actually say it's fine since I'm only posting baseless reads as a wolf and that I'm not doing so here so I'm not a wolf after you told me about my wolf tell seems like you're trying to find reasons to clear me, a villager.

Yeah that's what I think a wolf would do.

I have no history with you however and cannot proceed with confidence. I'll let others with history with you take a shot at reading you before I convince myself you're a lockwolf.
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06-24-2010 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
The fact that you actually say it's fine since I'm only posting baseless reads as a wolf and that I'm not doing so here so I'm not a wolf after you told me about my wolf tell seems like you're trying to find reasons to clear me, a villager.

Yeah that's what I think a wolf would do.

I have no history with you however and cannot proceed with confidence. I'll let others with history with you take a shot at reading you before I convince myself you're a lockwolf.
WAT
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06-24-2010 , 11:25 AM
Ok now I'm gonna try to actually decipher what you said.
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06-24-2010 , 11:25 AM
I also realise I'm not very coherent or perfectly logical atm so I think I should sleep now and wolfhunt again tomorrow.
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06-24-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gtpitch
Ok now I'm gonna try to actually decipher what you said.
lol xpost
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06-24-2010 , 11:26 AM
I don't know what titan and gtpitch are talking about but they are both villagers
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06-24-2010 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
The fact that you actually say it's fine since I'm only posting baseless reads as a wolf and that I'm not doing so here so I'm not a wolf after you told me about my wolf tell seems like you're trying to find reasons to clear me, a villager.

Yeah that's what I think a wolf would do.

I have no history with you however and cannot proceed with confidence. I'll let others with history with you take a shot at reading you before I convince myself you're a lockwolf.
I do not like this at all..... Gt seems like a good villager to me, and this is very ?????
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06-24-2010 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Titanrulez
The fact that you actually say it's fine since I'm only posting baseless reads as a wolf and that I'm not doing so here so I'm not a wolf after you told me about my wolf tell seems like you're trying to find reasons to clear me, a villager.

Yeah that's what I think a wolf would do.

I have no history with you however and cannot proceed with confidence. I'll let others with history with you take a shot at reading you before I convince myself you're a lockwolf.
Ok here we go.

When did I call you a wolf? Never afaik.

Also - only wolves clear villagers? That's strange - because - as a villager - I try to find other villagers and then just assume the people that are left are the wolves. Its actually much easier to clear villagers than to find wolves.
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