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06-22-2015 , 09:24 AM
I also feel JvK is too smart for that vote timing arguement,

but I thought PBAL was a wolf so what do i know
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06-22-2015 , 09:25 AM
Monte's trolling is over my head. If there was some sort of peek on TN and it is obvious to everyone else, I didn't see it. TN acting like an outed and defeated wolf later on I saw. I did not see any peek or anything mechnically outing TN.

I made a case. Kruze made a case. Evene seemed to agree with it. Filthy had already voted. Plz came in with a single post to vote. If I missed something, so be it.

To me, the early TN voters seem pure as ****.
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06-22-2015 , 09:25 AM
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My tone read is that HU is easily a better vote than dice. All of this pathetic arguing and stamping of feet that he's actually being secretly villagery is something I've seen in dice's villa game too many times not to feel like he's just going to flip villa. That isn't my only basis; before he came under heat, I do think his posts were more or less good enough by the really low dice standard.
so originally i thought woofs are you, rawrs, dice, hu

if you are villager then who should i replace you in my list ;o
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06-22-2015 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Okay fine, your vote doesn't even make you look good. By your own admission it's a vote that anyone would have made in either role.

Why did you vote Evene for the brief period of time that you did? What was the basis of that vote?

Do you think that Evene is on the same side as you? And why?
I posted about Evene either directly before or after making that vote. Mostly it was that she seemed to be a low-impact player doing just enough to look like she was working while not really inspiring me with anything she said. And yes, I already admitted that's a pretty decent description of me so far too, but I'm less concerned about my own role for some reason.

I will say that for the first time last night, I found myself liking her better. And now I'm not remembering why. brb
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06-22-2015 , 09:26 AM
yeah

i only knew tn is a wolf too when she started lolcatting
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06-22-2015 , 09:27 AM
jvk, no one was even attempting to argue that TN was being anything but wolfy at any point yesterday or Saturday

I legit have no idea what you're talking about
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06-22-2015 , 09:28 AM
Meh, just looked at Evene, what I liked were her thoughts on PBAL. Him flipping villa isn't particularly helpful for her. I would say she's still probably an okay wolf suspect. I prefer the HU option in the immediate.
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06-22-2015 , 09:30 AM
The problem with dice not being a wolf is that we're missing a kill (pbal's vig shot), which, near as I can tell, had to have hit an isolated wolf, assuming he bothered to shoot

Either that or they could have tracked PBAL or in some other way determined his role and isolated him last night (the fact that they killed him implies that this may be more likely, since as others have noted, he did worm his way into my POE as well as a few others)
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06-22-2015 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Meh, just looked at Evene, what I liked were her thoughts on PBAL. Him flipping villa isn't particularly helpful for her. I would say she's still probably an okay wolf suspect. I prefer the HU option in the immediate.
This was also bouncing around my head when I was brushing my teeth this morning
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06-22-2015 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by q_q
so originally i thought woofs are you, rawrs, dice, hu

if you are villager then who should i replace you in my list ;o
I'm with you on HU and Rawrs. Looking at the player list it's a bit difficult. The only other ones I don't have any sort of villa lean on are filthy (who I realize you disagree on), and mutigers and RAO, and I just haven't read them yet.
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06-22-2015 , 09:32 AM
Oh, I guess q_q didn't list Evene either. So I guess what I would have right now would be HU/Rawrs/Evene/whoever I like less between mutigers and RAO. I'll look at them before I go afk for the evening.
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06-22-2015 , 09:33 AM
Assuming bopolis is a villager and not some super triple reverse fps spew cleared wolf (which I think is effectively impossible), the ending wagons were v/v/v/v (and if rawrs is a villager, add a fifth v in there, since his wagon had some steam late but dissipated with consolidation related effects)

So it seems within the realm of possibility that the wolves held onto an isolate for use on n3
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06-22-2015 , 09:33 AM
well thankfully we have one mislynch and a hope for some clutch plays from bodyguard
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06-22-2015 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Vigg, see the post Monte so rudely scoffed at (here)

I don't think the wagons should be LKJ / dice because they both give us the same info. I am fairly positive that:

if LKJ is wolf, then dice is wolf too
if LKJ is villa, then Evene is wolf and dice who knows

I struggle to see a situation in which both LKJ and Evene are on the same side.

I'd prefer LKJ / rawrs wagons.
Tbh to me it looks like another selfoutleveling attempt from you, sorry
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06-22-2015 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Montecore
jvk, no one was even attempting to argue that TN was being anything but wolfy at any point yesterday or Saturday

I legit have no idea what you're talking about
When I made this post here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2776

It was far from obvious that TN was going to die or that she was a wolf.

At that point TN had two voters - filthy, who no one trusted and who was on three votes himself, and Vigg, who despite making 100s of posts seems weirdly to be a bit of a non-factor in this game so far.

I made it three.

Kruze and Evene followed that up.

At what point did it become obivous to you that TN was definitely a wolf and definitely would die?

Was it before I made the post above? Was it after Kruze's vote? Was it after Evene's

Was it later when TN showed up lolcatting?

When exactly?

This is important you see. If you have something that would be worth considering share it so I can alter my conclusions. We're meant to be working together and when of our number is being a smug and supercilious prick it makes things difficult.
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06-22-2015 , 09:36 AM
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well thankfully we have one mislynch and a hope for some clutch plays from bodyguard
this is assuming the bodyguard is someone within the eventual POE

if it's someone like bop we are kind of boned since they need to kill him anyway
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06-22-2015 , 09:37 AM
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this is assuming the bodyguard is someone within the eventual POE

if it's someone like bop we are kind of boned since they need to kill him anyway
yeah that’s true
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06-22-2015 , 09:38 AM
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When I made this post here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2776

It was far from obvious that TN was going to die or that she was a wolf.

At that point TN had two voters - filthy, who no one trusted and who was on three votes himself, and Vigg, who despite making 100s of posts seems weirdly to be a bit of a non-factor in this game so far.

I made it three.

Kruze and Evene followed that up.

At what point did it become obivous to you that TN was definitely a wolf and definitely would die?

Was it before I made the post above? Was it after Kruze's vote? Was it after Evene's

Was it later when TN showed up lolcatting?

When exactly?

This is important you see. If you have something that would be worth considering share it so I can alter my conclusions. We're meant to be working together and when of our number is being a smug and supercilious prick it makes things difficult.
It was obvious to me early on Saturday that she was going to be the lynch, because literally no one was defending her and she wasn't bothering to defend herself

So I stopped worrying about her, assuming she was already dead, and tried to find a wagon I liked better since I thought there was a chance I'd die last night and wanted to get my reads, such as they were, out there
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06-22-2015 , 09:38 AM
One thing I would point out looking over that is that when we were onto TN, rawrs was around and virtually at no point addresses the TN situation.

Instead he just blindly goes on with his crusade against me causing as much distraction as possible.

I think rawrs would be safe as one of the wagons today. He's a safer bet than Hu.
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06-22-2015 , 09:38 AM
filthy being the bodyguard would make me hard
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06-22-2015 , 09:38 AM
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These seems like all relatively easy targets to me. Are you still on me because of my list? I get that I was wrong on coordi and BATM. However, I felt I had a good progression at EOD and tried to steer people away from lynching coordi. Mainly, it seemed because the thread seemed too comfortable where we were and no one was pushing anything else. The issue was that I also had a towny vibe from sir rawrs and bop, both of which were the other two wagons.
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Easy how?
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All bottom to middle posters and at least in the case of TN and me have already got a decent amount of pressure. However, that's not the only problem because he skipped some around that range that I don't think were any more towny taking the whole day into account (ie: Hustylez, Evene, Redd, maybe few others).
At first i thought pesky was shifting focus away from TN and that looked bad given TN's role on d2. But he said focus can go towards other people like (HU,evene,Redd) and if he was a wolf probably leave redd out of that list. Unless he thought redd wouldnt get heat anyways
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06-22-2015 , 09:39 AM
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It was obvious to me early on Saturday that she was going to be the lynch, because literally no one was defending her and she wasn't bothering to defend herself

So I stopped worrying about her, assuming she was already dead, and tried to find a wagon I liked better since I thought there was a chance I'd die last night and wanted to get my reads, such as they were, out there
So let me get this right, you knew that TN would be the lynch when the votes were 1-1-1-1-1?

Who's going to be the lynch today then Nostradamus?
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06-22-2015 , 09:39 AM
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One thing I would point out looking over that is that when we were onto TN, rawrs was around and virtually at no point addresses the TN situation.

Instead he just blindly goes on with his crusade against me causing as much distraction as possible.

I think rawrs would be safe as one of the wagons today. He's a safer bet than Hu.
You do realize that, even if rawrs ends up being a wolf this game, that you've effectively inoculated anyone from ever wanting to read your posts on the matter again, since the reasoning that you used to come to that conclusion makes no sense
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06-22-2015 , 09:41 AM
Lkj have u read rawrs?
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06-22-2015 , 09:41 AM
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So let me get this right, you knew that TN would be the lynch when the votes were 1-1-1-1-1?

Who's going to be the lynch today then Nostradamus?
You being supercilious makes me unsure if I'm interested in answering; I'm going to adjourn to my fainting couch in the second library to try and contain my vapors
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