I'm not voting b/c of maj, but for the record my unofficial vote is on HU.

Would be fine lynching him or tappo today.

You grilled Hu nicely and I understand your vote on him. I won't be joining you today.

I don't oppose tappo votes. What are your reasons to vote him. Cliffs are more than enough.

Lord seems angry

I don't know what the second part of this means.

Yes, pitch would be having a bad game as wolf or as villa, but I'm saying if he's villa it's a particularly bad one because I don't know how a villa even half thinking about the game can make some of the posts he has.

Pitch seems a lot better than this in anniversary. He seemed a lot more natural too.

Here you go - I think this is the entire exchange:

fwiw I had every intention of just trolling anniversary so I'm not sure it is a great representation of a "normal" game for me though like d3 onwards might be.

Ok? The post you quoted of mine doesn't mention Roxc. In fact I believe I call her a likely villager based on a different post but not sure why you mention her here.

Bussing.

Because of this:

The two players Met went after before he left were me and Roxy -- and in the most bizarre way, by looking at the fact we were looking at the thread but not posting.

He settled on a vote for me.

Now think things through for a second. Why does he park a vote there before he leaves if we are w/w?

He was in no danger. At that point it would have made me a possible 3rd wagon.

So now you're convoluting a scenario whereby Met is bussing a teammate just before he leaves and then said teammate busses him in a middle of a situation where he didn't have to?

If you look at the timing of my vote too, mine is one of the ones that makes it look much more viable. It's a pivot vote. Not a late one or an early one, but right at the point where it makes the CFD look likely.

Of all the possible scenarios, you've chosen the most convoluted and least likely one to hang your hat on. Nice work Sherlock.

A wolf with time on his hand wouldn't make those posts either. I'm not opposed to a gtpitch lynch. IIRC I'm voting him. If we are wrong it's not solely because he played bad. It's partly on us because we voted him.

Well Matlock answer me this. Do I have to die to prove your case. Or can we just lynch gtpich and tappo.

My body is ready


Sooner is better than later. I posted the reasons.

Why would you need to die?

I'll go look at the progression again to answer the first part of your post.

As to the 2nd, your vote was an awesome spot to throw a bussing vote out there. It felt flimsy to me. Like you showed up, realized a wolfbro was getting CFD'd and you wanted to make sure you got in while the getting was good. Guess why you'd do that? For this exact reason that you are arguing now - that the vote should clear you.

So what you're saying is true. Mets left with a vote for you that made you a potential 3rd wagon candidate - however I'd say a fairly unlikely 3rd wagon candidate but one nonetheless.

Except he was leaving himself ways off it right away:

Noncommittal and no push here. He isn't giving reasons for voting you, not convincing others to do the same. Just voting because he saw you reading the thread and not posting.

In fact:

Right after that post he's immediately trying to get some support going for an alternate wagon.

So why does he leave and not change his vote? Could be a lot of reasons - he obviously didn't/couldn't know he would die so there are these scenarios:

1) You are a villager and he felt fine leaving, potentially not coming back, with his vote on a random villager. He'd likely get very little heat the next day if you were lynched and if you weren't lynched he wouldn't get heat for voting off wagon (since you were third).

2) You are his wolf partner and you were only the 3rd wagon and he felt you were under no threat to be lynched. If you did - his vote looks great. If you get lynched later in the game and he's still alive - also great for him.

3) You are his wolf partner and he felt you could legitimately be lynched (this I believe is the least likely option - there were several in thread adamant on not lynching you). See above, if you are lynched his vote his early and good and he likely gets some credit for it, though admittedly, not much.

There are a bunch of posters who can be cleared by exposing that there were wolf villagar wagons last night. That includes you.

That's why I'm prepared to thunderdome half the playerlist today. Doesn't include you.

Hey guys!

Um.. gtpitch would be my choice if I had to right now. But it wouldn't be fair if I didn't go back and read tappo's posts first. I was serious when I said I just ignored him, lol.

Now let me dig.

Do you really think pursuing this very unlikely scenario is the best use of your wolf-catching time pitch?

Huh?

The mets lynch wasn't a wagon - it was a CFD. If you die villager, the only way that gives information from the lynch last night is if people were actively around and fighting the mets CFD but everyone that was active around EOD was voting mets.

What makes you think HU's villaging? Or, I suppose, who do you believe is more likely to be a wolf?

Tappo's still a good vote imo because he's still just coasting along, his wagon never seemed to get off the ground D1 despite several people advocating for it, and he hard-defended Mets (who hard defended him, in turn).

All I'm doing is rereading stuff and point stuff out, so, yes.

A lot of Tappo's reads are quite incriminating, it's true, but that is one reason why I'm not really buying that he's a wolf.

Tappo is meant to be careful and calculating. So if he's careful and calculating, why does he throw out a bunch of villas (Redd, Sili among them) and okay lynches and hard defend his wolf buddy?

Isn't it more likely that he's a villa, it was day 1 and he was simply wrong about a bunch of stuff?

I'm not defending Tappo here, I'm just saying that the play doesn't fit his apparent MO. A careful wolf player doesn't leave just an obvious trail back to him.

Am I wrong?

You jump from level 0 to level 3. Level 3 arguments need better arguing!

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A wolf would jump off that CFD, when you could prevent a mets lynch [u]and kill a villager[/b]. The underlined is the reason I understand that I have to die.
My wolves are gtpitch and tappokone. Both of them initiated a pointless bussing discussion because they need it to win.

To my mind, Tappo is a good wolf because he has really solid tone control, and he is very intelligent, so he doesn't get caught slipping or contradicting himself.

His play thus far has perfectly fit into a wolf!Tappo mold - if he doesn't commit to anything, he can't be contradicted; if he doesn't extend too far, he can't slip. He is a careful wolf.

This doesn't mean he won't defend his teammates or push for mislynches - that's how a wolf wins the game.

So you're calling HUstylez a wolf? He was the only one to jump off that "wagon" I believe.

Which is interesting because you just called him a villager - or at least said you don't want to lynch him.