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04-28-2016 , 05:34 PM
I'm also hoping that the villa vig can read between the lines with what I'm saying
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04-28-2016 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
I disagree with you grant, but then again I think you're a wolf too.
You think the SHC guy who just spent the entire day culling through ISOs is a better vig target than me?

Shirley, you jest.

BTW I have the remaining 4 at something like:

Duck
Zork
[xander/aib/mucks] combo

Wolf equity in [fraley/monte/batm] which is too remote to seriously explore at this point.
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04-28-2016 , 05:37 PM
I'm pretty sure I know the villa vig and I'm sure he knows the score

He'll do right by us
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04-28-2016 , 05:38 PM
If you're saying you have a tinfoil that Apoc is exactly the wolf vig and we're going to flush him out by RBing in, that's plausible.

Stupid IMO, but plausible.
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04-28-2016 , 05:38 PM
xander what's your opinion of Zork?
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04-28-2016 , 05:40 PM
The wolves can holster to frame the kill tho. I'll be likely rb xander think.

Also fdrapey tried to take a seer wolf peek at batm AA a wolf?
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04-28-2016 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by grant2
I have a very strong villa-read on him. He was basically #4 on my list of "who can I hang a lynch on today so I don't get got?" before I re-read him.

Maybe you can convince me how I'm wrong? What specifically is setting you off about him?
:dryface:

etc
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04-28-2016 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by grant2
You think the SHC guy who just spent the entire day culling through ISOs is a better vig target than me?

Shirley, you jest.

BTW I have the remaining 4 at something like:

Duck
Zork
[xander/aib/mucks] combo

Wolf equity in [fraley/monte/batm] which is too remote to seriously explore at this point.
Know for a fact you're wrong about me and I really think you're wrong about AIB so there's something not quite right
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04-28-2016 , 05:43 PM
Xander, shut up
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04-28-2016 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
The wolves can holster to frame the kill tho. I'll be likely rb xander think.
I have the exact same fear.

And I think admitting to a RB of Xander is dangerous for exactly that reason.

If the wolves miss a kill tonight because of a RB, I don't think I could support a lynch of him tomorrow.

It's a really tough spot for RBers.
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04-28-2016 , 05:43 PM
I don't want to spell out what the night actions HAVE to be for the wolves to read and counter.

My block of text with percentages is hopefully the spark of inspiration the vig/roleblocker needed to come to the right obvious conclusion. Perhaps they already knew the score and I'm not giving them enough credit, but anyone saying lol at that post, really doesn't get it and obviously not the villa vig/roleblocker.
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04-28-2016 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!
I'll lol if Fraley is the GF and then decided to lock clear me by spewing me knowing his never dying since he was peeked.
I think that was TMI last night the way he kept peeking me when it was so obv that knights was seer...
I mean he had to be right?

I feel good about viggo and then lol fraley
after finally catching up the thread I am exactly here with you, my list from earlier forgot to take into account the GF aspect, and Duckburg and Xander are making a helluva lot more sense than the super wolfy pushy Apoc is in this thread so far today.

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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!
Apoc you are the only fool who thinks I'm not a villager.
The other fool is a wolf in Fraley. Not sure why is not obv to you.
Oh wait I know. You are a minor league player and you hang hang with the big boys.
I think you despise how amazing I am. This is a true read btw
I'm not mad, I would hate to play myself.
good points, barg not withstanding

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Originally Posted by Duckburg
He is saying:
Knee's fake peek of fayley is wrong - I (JP) peeked him wolf
very, very possible

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Originally Posted by Montecore
This seems mechanically unlikely considering knights was killed with a n2 fraley v peek

And would mean fraley is exactly the godfather
this is worrisome though

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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs
Now that they know I'm not seer, I feel like zorkman should die. I fake peeked him on n1 and held strong in defending him to keep cover, but I feel like he's been coasting by. Granted I haven't read a lot of his posts bc they are usually in mq's and mq's on my phone are almost impossible to read. Anyway, I don't really see a world where he's not a wolf at this point and I'd like to see him dead.

I also think it's a good chance that's the reason I didn't die earlier in this game, my peeks were wrong. There's also the possibility they peeked me and knew I wasn't the seer, but idk. I feel like zork has been wolfy and needs to be looked up
I really like a mucks vig tonight if we can make that happen, though apoc as deep wolf or wolf vig or both binking him would be super sexy

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Originally Posted by grant2
Dice had 2 strong, consistent reads: Fraley - V and BATM - W. I feel like one was to pocket and the other was to mislynch.
Yes but which

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Originally Posted by grant2
There is also the possibility that Fraley is a NON-gf wolf, but the wolves killed Nee to SHC him.

Fraley is still putting on a hell of a game.

The idea of lynching him today is ludicrous.
obviously we lynch viggo today

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Originally Posted by fraleyight
I like the aib being tracked theory too. So if grant is a villager,

I think the wolf team is

xander
duck
mucks
zork

If grant is a wolf

I think the wolf team is
mucks
apoc
grant
Duck

So either way duck is probably a wolf too.
how convenient no matter which way you slice it duck is a wolf and you have me in your POE at all is also just plain wrong when duck is one of the few people making sense with hot takes in this thread.

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Originally Posted by killer_kill
I don't think we should worry about mucks RN tbh. Maybe dvc is laughing at us but who cares.

I think grant makes a good point regarding duck and dice. Also I felt like ducks post regarding the nk was just fluff to seek game solvey tbh. He doesn't really have much else going for him besides never being the wolf VIG.

Batm came at dice before I outted the peek also. I thought about it more and it seems good for batm cause he's not one to really bus for no reason.
duck seems pretty sincere and authentic though

I still like batman to probably be villaging

You're a lock villager obviously so sponging you cant be bad.

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
I'm doing a rawrs and starting over



Villagers:
Apoc
Killer_Kill



Wolves:

Everyone else
This frame of mind where you think everyone is a wolf except you and killer is going to result in analysis that is dangerous to the village, such as your pile of crap quoted below.

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Originally Posted by grant2
Zork's a real mystery.

Like I legitimately believe he's methodically analyzing the game. But he could be like me and do that as a wolf as part of cover.

He was REALLY interested in making a real contest of Dice's CC. Like he put 3x as much energy into it than even Dice did. But that could also have been authentic detective work.

His D1 vote on Fraley was oddball. But not necessarily wolfy since it didn't change anything.

Yesterday he admitted he basically has no opinions except that he himself is a villager.

His behaviour is classic of a player who's terrified of making the wrong decision. For most players that would be wolf-indicative but I wonder if that's just his personality for all roles?
I'm not terified of making the wrong decisions. I've made some wrong decisions. I was the first one to really get the Roman wagon going. That was brave of me. Before that I bravely got off a villager and could have glommed onto you but I trusted my read of you as villager also and didnt do so. Where would you be if I tried to just get some "village cred" and glommed onto you instead? I've consistently felt you are villaging from d1 on. I do have some reading abilities, you know.

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Originally Posted by fraleyight
The thing about zork is he is terrible in either role and a pain in the ass to read.
My heart bleeds for your pain, Godfather I mean Fraley

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Originally Posted by grant2
Apoc I have to admit I'm not comfortable with Zork talking about tinfoiled deep wolves when he can't even commit to naming regular ol' wolfy wolves.
here, let me get you a pillow so you can be comfortable while you read my best efforts to kill wolves

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
when did you start feeling so strongly about grant, is what I don't understand either...?
since the very beginning

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
I don't understand how you are so sure grant is a villager, but think Lord voters are wolfy...

??


This post makes no sense. I'm not sure if it's wolfy perspective or not...where is Lissa?
it is what it is, nothing to "make sense" of

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
This feels like a policy vote for Roman. I don't feel like you actually think Roman is a wolf here, despite suggesting w/w.

Didn't you complain about Fraley and BATM policy lynching Lord on D1?
I don't like policy votes but it was so bad what Roman did that I thought it was too wolfy to be too wolfy to be a wolf, ergo wolfy. You don't just call someone out then abandon it, it was super suspicious to me and as I recall, half the village as well.

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Originally Posted by Duckburg
If JP makes posts like that, without having peeked viggo AND fraley wolf - lol JP GJ GE.

Until proven otherwise, I don't think JP is ******ed.
Duckburg you really made some great analysis here and have earned your way up my list board.

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
I think the remaining wolves left after viggo are:

mucks
duck
Apoc
grant

(highest confidence wolf listed first through to lowest confidence)
Not duck. Probably not grant. Your list needs work.

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Originally Posted by Duckburg
Optimising time.

we can either

A) make 11 posts and vote Viggo today - not considering whom we want to lynch tomorrow.

or

B) Vote viggo - and be proactive, discuss whom we want to lynch tomorrow (I'm doing this one rather actively, as you might have noticed).


Besides that - fray is a wolf. I'm trusting JP's post here.
And I'm weighing in my experience playing on POG, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong because JP played wrong.
That was the most villagery post in the history of villagery posting.

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
xander stop being a ****ter please


it's really ****ing old at this point
You just piss all over everyone's wheaties, don't you? All your posts and whining and pissing and moaning doesnt change the fact that xander is probably a villager and I certainly am a villager.

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Originally Posted by ApocPS
I dont know if I have the heart or the time to keep ISOing people...
Oh My God someone please put him out of his misery tonight, and if youre a villager, sorry about ya not sorry about ya.

Revised List. Pay attention villagers. Wolves, don't read this:

Lock Villagers (3):
Zorkman
Killer_Kill
fraleyight (sorry fraley for earlier thinking you were a wolf)
Weatherguy

Mostly Villagery (6) (probably only 1 wolf in here):
Duckburg
grant2
Montecore
AllInBluff
xander biscuits
TheBrokenATM!

Probable Wolves (3):
ApocPS (fraley or apoc godfather)
Duckburg fraleyight (fraley or apoc godfather)
mucksandgravs

Lock Wolf (1):
Viggorous
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04-28-2016 , 05:44 PM
But if the wolves holster a kill then they are just letting us decide their shot basically. Which is still plus ev.
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04-28-2016 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
Know for a fact you're wrong about me and I really think you're wrong about AIB so there's something not quite right
Here's the problem: I don't really think you're a wolf. But you're low enough in the POE that I have to name you as a suspect because I've got no one else.

The fact that I'm talking to you like I think you're a villager (and you seem to be doing likewise to me) demonstrates that at some level, you have similar feelings.
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04-28-2016 , 05:46 PM
LMAO.. WHAT ARE YOU DOING ZORK? Like I am baffled. You can't be a wolf and you can't be a villager.

Is this a troll game? Did telc throw a NSK to **** with us in here?
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04-28-2016 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ApocPS
xander what's your opinion of Zork?
2nd tier wolf potential.

mucks and duck are the clearest wolves and we need to see them flip and some night actions before we come to any hard conclusions
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04-28-2016 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
But if the wolves holster a kill then they are just letting us decide their shot basically. Which is still plus ev.


excellent point fraley.

It's crackerjack thinking like that which is why I will never support your lynch this game.
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04-28-2016 , 05:47 PM
Zork is actually entertaining the plan to lynch me over viggo..

Lol. Would a wolf be that obvious?
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04-28-2016 , 05:47 PM
Zorkman is going in the wolf pile because I CANNOT READ ANY MORE AIDS MULTIQUOTES
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04-28-2016 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
The wolves can holster to frame the kill tho. I'll be likely rb xander think.

Also fdrapey tried to take a seer wolf peek at batm AA a wolf?
waste of a roleblock, I guarantee I'm vanilla

If they holster we gain an extra mislynch allowance. It's not such a big deal
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04-28-2016 , 05:48 PM
**** YOU ZORKMAN YOU DESERVE DEATH
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04-28-2016 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
so has the village vig...
burrrrrrn
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04-28-2016 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
2nd tier wolf potential.

mucks and duck are the clearest wolves and we need to see them flip and some night actions before we come to any hard conclusions
why is mucks a wolf again?
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04-28-2016 , 05:50 PM
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since the very beginning
this is bs, you seemed to agree with BATM when you quotes his wolfread of grant
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04-28-2016 , 05:50 PM
ok, i point out the logical inconsistencies in Zork's plans to find wolves and I get...

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it is what it is, nothing to "make sense" of

This can die now
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