4/20 Pokemon mishmash game (beta)
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I think you fail to understand the concept of leaving fakepeeks. When a person says "I peeked x villager" that means they're the peek. Period. End of discussion.
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Look how quick you jumped on me as soon as I said something about you. Look how you want to thunderdome with me.
If you were a villager, shouldnt you be more intereted in finding out my role rather than just try to cast doubt on me?
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04-21-2012
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Sup br0s
Do you think that Squirtle Squad is a high lvl ww player? I think right now you're taking a lot of evidence and then twisting it to suit your theories or shrugging it off with a post like this if it doesn't fit. It's something I used to do a lot too (and I still do, just hopefully to a lesser extent).
What do you think of LMS coming in, saying that this was Tweedy's trolling style (like you did) but concluding that he was villagery for it?
It's one of those backwards things that pervades POG. Like, the way I (and a lot of other people) read these things is that a villager will normally be so confident in their read, or in how much of an obvious villager they are, that they don't need to explain their vote. Particularly at End of Day when time can be of the essence. Whereas wolves are worried so much about appearing villagery and showing their thought processes all the time that they force explanations.
The way I try to interpret it when making my own reads is that explanations themselves aren't inherently wolfy. But the type and timing of the explanation can be very telling, and yours was mad wolfy and stuff.
He goes on later to hard push Vix, and this progression makes it super likely that Vix is a villa. I don't like the way you stopped this read on Vix so early.
Aksdal is a smart dude, he wouldn't be that unclear with his peeks as either a seer or a villager.
This is potentially important so I'll put this in its own post.
Right, exactly, I have no incentive to do what I did if I were wolf. What do you think of Steve right now Dye?
This really doesn't vibe at all. You lynch the wolfy players, we don't have enough information to be able to afford preserving a wolfy player for the hope that they spew later. What's more, if a new wolf is struggling to post then they almost certainly won't be spewing.
Why?
This whole post reads as dishonest, I think you're twisting a lot of things here to suit what ends up being a very soft push.
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No, what I said (in my mind and I thought it was conveyed) was that VMF switching his vote appeared wolfy to me. He changed his vote fairly quickly (or at least with very few posts between and without justification) from SS to BJL, who at the time was the 2nd wagon, instead of the first wagon which was derwi.
I then said if derwi flipped wolf, VMF would look even more wolfy because he piled on the second wagon, instead of derwi's wagon. Since derwi flipped villa, I think it helps to clear VMF, since he likely would have voted derwi instead of BJL if he was a wolf.
Looking back I should have just explained this without changing my vote, like binkles did by pointing out that I should be looked at, which I'm fine with.
I didn't know that changing a vote with reasoning looks wolfy, and actually assumed changing my vote without a reason looked wolfy.
I then said if derwi flipped wolf, VMF would look even more wolfy because he piled on the second wagon, instead of derwi's wagon. Since derwi flipped villa, I think it helps to clear VMF, since he likely would have voted derwi instead of BJL if he was a wolf.
Looking back I should have just explained this without changing my vote, like binkles did by pointing out that I should be looked at, which I'm fine with.
I didn't know that changing a vote with reasoning looks wolfy, and actually assumed changing my vote without a reason looked wolfy.
The way I try to interpret it when making my own reads is that explanations themselves aren't inherently wolfy. But the type and timing of the explanation can be very telling, and yours was mad wolfy and stuff.
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Some opinions after reading some of SS (will continue doing so):
1. Has a decent amount of interaction early on with vix. SS says that vix clearing people early on d1 is bad and votes him and says "never changing ever." (Post 365) Then says that vix is in his typical wft-villager mode. (Post 369) For those that have played with them more, is there a chance that this interaction is ever w/w?
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1. Has a decent amount of interaction early on with vix. SS says that vix clearing people early on d1 is bad and votes him and says "never changing ever." (Post 365) Then says that vix is in his typical wft-villager mode. (Post 369) For those that have played with them more, is there a chance that this interaction is ever w/w?
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I thought as soon as I saw this that he could be the seer.
Could just be me
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So the first post he says his second serious read, then he posts a list of wolves. I take it to mean the second wolf he is serious about because it is a peek. Then the next list he puts VMF at the top, possibly because he thought it wasnt clear enough for people to spot the first time round.
Also he did it early to make it look like it was just made up rather than make a super obvious peek.
What are peoples thoughts?
Could just be me
'ingSo the first post he says his second serious read, then he posts a list of wolves. I take it to mean the second wolf he is serious about because it is a peek. Then the next list he puts VMF at the top, possibly because he thought it wasnt clear enough for people to spot the first time round.
Also he did it early to make it look like it was just made up rather than make a super obvious peek.
What are peoples thoughts?
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i really from your perspective, knowing yourself to be villa, binkles looks good.
considering he "thought" the other wagons didn't look good, and he ends up having to vote derwi, who we know is a villa after your cfd doesn't take off
when you're a villa in this spot, it wouldn't make sense for wolf binkles to do so
considering he "thought" the other wagons didn't look good, and he ends up having to vote derwi, who we know is a villa after your cfd doesn't take off
when you're a villa in this spot, it wouldn't make sense for wolf binkles to do so
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To me it just seems bad. Yeah you may end up lynching a wolf, but the information gained from that would be completly 0.
Also if a new wolf has trouble posting wouldnt you want him to be one of the last wolves alive to make the end game easy? I know from a strategic point I would rather have a bad wolf at the end of the game with me than one who can twist facts and talk themself out of the lynch.
Perhaps its just me who thinks that lynching someone with such a small number of posts isnt good for the village and is a cop out for wolves.
Also if a new wolf has trouble posting wouldnt you want him to be one of the last wolves alive to make the end game easy? I know from a strategic point I would rather have a bad wolf at the end of the game with me than one who can twist facts and talk themself out of the lynch.
Perhaps its just me who thinks that lynching someone with such a small number of posts isnt good for the village and is a cop out for wolves.
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Exactly, probably not a coincidence. What's your point?
A few things slighted:
-Every time I've seen you villa recently you've posted reads lists with well thought reasoning behind all of your reads. This is noticeably absent this game.
- Voting for me at that point of the day seems very bad and you openly just sponge binkles with the vote. I don't think you had mentioned me prior to that vote.
-Later you both switch to derwi
-You seem to be generally be disappointed when you rand villa because you randed it so many times in a row yet this game you came in super enthusiastic and posted a ton early with a very excited tone which makes me think you were excited about your role.
A few things slighted:
-Every time I've seen you villa recently you've posted reads lists with well thought reasoning behind all of your reads. This is noticeably absent this game.
- Voting for me at that point of the day seems very bad and you openly just sponge binkles with the vote. I don't think you had mentioned me prior to that vote.
-Later you both switch to derwi
-You seem to be generally be disappointed when you rand villa because you randed it so many times in a row yet this game you came in super enthusiastic and posted a ton early with a very excited tone which makes me think you were excited about your role.
04-21-2012
, 08:29 PM
VMF outting his track is really strange iyam. I think that's more prowolf information than provillage since he came up without an action.
Don't really have much to say at this point regarding ego wars pt. 2 convos, except I found this last night nofear:
We should leave VMF alone for now, let him feed us spew if he's a wolf.
Don't really have much to say at this point regarding ego wars pt. 2 convos, except I found this last night nofear:
We should leave VMF alone for now, let him feed us spew if he's a wolf.
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