what a vocabulary i have :P

It seems wolfy because monte doesn't actually seem to care about his reads

that's what binkles pointed out

This is purely conjectural but I'd also note that it makes sense for wolves to read captain binkles really closely (and would increase the odds of spotting his title peeks) if monte is a wolf

and even after it was pointed out monte didn't really show any interest, he just kind of eh voted fixated. At the time I didn't find that wolfy because I thought fixated was so likely to be a wolf, but knowing fixated was a villager it doesn't help

sup chris, going through eod

this is better than just posting responses to various posts of yours from yesterday:


I think the fact that you put a vote on slighted right when the wagons went into flux and then didnt really follow up about anything to be really wolfy. I know you often miss eod, but this isnt just missing eod. I was in the proces of finishing commenting on another couple of eod posts and one involved you, so ill wait a min and attach it at the bottom. Hopefully you can share your thoughts.





This was kinda what I was talking about too if its the same game. There was a game where Fixated played and I didnt remember if I died n1 or just railed, but remember being super impressed by the new guy (fixated) and telling that to evene before she told me it was her boyfriend. He posted reads, he interacted, he actually solved the game on like d3 or something, and in this game he was refusing to call anyone a wolf etc (which I find new wolves find troublesome - making cases on people you know are villa).



Still 4-4-2 but the lynch is now in flux with all this discussion

This is a major reason I have Chris as a wolf read. I know he typically misses eods, but missing eod is a hell of a lot different than saying "meh i dont like the wagons, vote someone with 0, peace" and not continuing on. Like hes not vocal, hes not trying to find the best lynch, hes not discussing the current wagons in depth, its just "meh", and I think coasting near eod is significantly more wolfy than just not being there.

Like what I'm saying is:
If I come in and see an eod either in chaos or about to be, and i just go "meh w/e vote" and leave, Im prolly a wolf. Those are the eod's that are most troubling for a wolf because you dont know where things are going, its harder to be in the flow of the thread, and therefore easier to out yourself. In fact, aksdal caught me in the last vanilla game I wolved by my "lack of urgency" during eod. And even though we weren't technically at full blown eod, it still works out the same imo.

well named, I think that entire thought process at the end is backwards. If fixated is a wolf, wouldnt wolf monte be more hesitant to vote him? If fixated is a villager and monte is a wolf, monte suddenly has a out and would love to take it.

Doesnt that make more sense?

you're thinking of it in terms of logical strategy

I'm thinking of it in terms of villagery thought process and wolfy thought process

I'm not saying you're wrong but for me the non-villageriness of montecore's interest in the game is wolfier then any deduction about the strategy can be clearing

mostly because one of the easiest things for wolves to do in werewolf is to do something that strategically appears to be pro-village or anti-wolf that doesn't actually reduce their EV very much. That is in fact a description of bussing in a nutshell, and the pro-village effects of bussing are obviously way more pronounced then the pro-village effect you are attributing to him clearing the second wagon. In practice, given how CFD prone games are, the latter has very little downside.

Monte
Deem
Poss you
Equally poss SIU
Less poss xnerd
Less poss vmf

I'm aware that i haven't been nearly as vocal about my reads as in the last game for example, there are reasons for this. Some are external and something i don't really want to get into. The other thing is that i haven't been nearly as confident about anything as last time and as i usually am. Basically every time i vote for someone i've gone through some of their posts and found something villagery.

This is one of those games where something just doesn't seem right, i haven't liked lynches and wagons,(2 guys i had as somewhat villagery dead) yet i lack strong alternatives, what i've expressed today is that although slighted and derm has a few good moments, they are our best options. But a cluster**** like this probably means there are some strongs wolves with a lot of say in the game(tends to mean wn is a wolf but a little unfair assumptions given he's a sub)

I'm not sure i remotely answered anything you adressed, but regarding yesterday, i simply felt asleep shortly after my last appearance, if that seems wolfy there's really not anything to about it at this point in time. i still find you somewhat villagery but i do think you need to look through this game again if you honestly believe i'm a good choice to apply pressure to today. amd it does irk me a little bit.

I got 10 min

Still have to read most of today and last night though

I also have a tinfoil hat theory that slighted is a wolf and the magic kill was exactly for telco with the intention of seer hunting and possibly SHCing a wolf

Well named equally as likely as xnerd too

monte

This one is a liiitle out of order to make more interactions make sense:


now the fixated wagon gets its 3rd vote

This is an awesome question. You need to click through for the context, but essentially Telc says that villagers voted to save him d1 while wolves voted to save Derm. Henrik wants to know which is which.


And I love that Henrik kept at it. He got an answer that wasnt an answer at all and just kept pushing it. In FF9 Henrik wasnt pushy, wasnt aggro, was interrogating. I would be ASTONISHED if he was a wolf.






Who pushed that fixated lynch hardest?
I did




Another good question from henrik was if all the binkles/monte stuff could be w.w. I think it was a good tinfoil theory for a villagery to think, and I dont think he brings it up as a wolf with them being v/v.

the (mostly) complete works of chrisrjdk: (i left out some pointless stuff)

ok, some reads right out of the gate, interesting.

don't know if i necessarily agree with his take on Crossnerd 100%, but i did on derm.

a reasonable response to my drunk posting in real time.

reasonable read. (not sure if he's buying it necessarily either with the sarcasm)

true. seems friendly, and as though he's actually trying to read me with these posts i think.

oh i was gonna ask if ppl who've played with him before would comment on his game.

what roles were you in these games, chris?

early reads list, appears to have some of them confirmed correct.

of course that could be wolfy..

i agreed with this read, still might.

and this.

called out toga for a nonsensical post (i agree with his point).

not sure when the game in reference was though.

this is interesting, and a post i don't know if i see a wolf making necessarily.

agree.

but backing off like this does seem kinda wolfy.

last post of D1 here?

so i don't really love this opening post D2. taking no responsibility for the lynch even though he wasn't around to do anything about it. ugh.

ok, but why?

not a bad point about the peek, but enough with the sarcasm smilies, lol

tend to agree with this, i thought the "peek" was confusing, whatever it was.

(and it doesn't really matter too much seeing as how binkles peeked CN, unless of course it was supposed to be Monte wolf, and he said the peeked a villa part to avoid being killed and would clear it up later or something, but now we're getting crazy probably)

in response to a waffling nothing post by Fixated i think. like it except for the smily, blergh!

ok this is weird. wasn't he questioning toga D1, or was he calling Aksdal wolfy in that exchange? i think he meant toga, and conceded to Aksdal's point and disappeared. then he opens D1 by criticizing the lynch of an afk'r, and calls for us to lynch derm...an afk'r. wat?

ok i can't dump on his too much for not having wolves, bc i don't really have any either. but now VMF & Ship are wolves? ok, why? what about derm? promises to do work...

so Ship is villa now? the retraction is...idk. might have to read the whole section again in context.

oh so here's the difference between the afk lynches? and i thought he did suggest that toga was wolfy D1?

trying to get Crossnerd off his back, kinda wolfy in the same way he talked about the toga/Aksdal thing being wolfy D1. explains his flip on Ship.

excuses for not being around at EOD, ok.

also it occurs to me that Ship got a villa lean from him D1. why did he become wolfy D2 briefly? was chris looking for someone to call a wolf, and perhaps just picked someone who might have been a consensus wolf target? or is he a villager who just didn't think about it.

pretty fluffy post.

(and probably another one of those posts that helped incept me with the idea that Fixated was good, so not to view him as a noob)

not a bad list, but it does sorta reek of being thread consensus type stuff, no? kinda sorta to some degree, maybe?

fluff with Fixated.

chris vs Aksdal

might not mind seeing them thunderdome some more...

in response to binkles calling him out for his flip on Ship, saying that the posts he cited to reverse his position weren't really villa.

disappeared for a while after this...

to return with this, back pushing the derm wagon. pretty hedgy, waffling post. asks WN to help justify his vote? (or talk him out of it)

and why is he buddying up to WN? he had Annie as a wolf D1.

this is to derm who says chris thinks he's a wolf every game.

i guess WN says to not vote derm, so he asks for a new vote.

all suggested by Jim.

now voting Slighted, uneasy about Aksdal. guess he was talked out of derm then by his buddy WN? do we know why he's voting Slighted? anyway, it's the lone vote on Slighted, and he peaces out for the day again 2.5 hours before EOD, just like he said he would.

then he had some more posts today that you can look at, some of them haven't been all that great.

summary/conclusion in my next post for the ppl who just want to skip this and read that...

This wolf this is atrocious
imo

I have one of them being a potential wolf, and thats the one thats done the most work today.

I think the whole "something just doesnt seem right" thing is entirely accurate.

I do think you've gotten by without getting any pressure so far this game, and feel you should get some now. I dont mean to irk you.

Votes as of post 1064
Night in 01:49
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	Montecore	Aksdal (13), well named (22)
1	chrisrjdk	JimHalpert (26)
1	Shipitup	VarianceMinefield (19)
1	Slighted	Shipitup (19)
1	Telcontar	derm (3)
7	not voting	chrisrjdk (7), Crossnerd (29), Henrik Sedin (16), Misti Blue (0), Montecore (4), Slighted (0), Telcontar (13)

Hey Sedin,

I wasn't calling out toga or calling him wolfy, i think you misunderstood that. I questioned that he found Aksdal villagery for Aks's posts and pointed it out.

I was a villager in that game that just ended. I haven't been a wolf in probably over a year, maybe even since that game i linked to earlier.

I am beginning to fear that my wishy washiness can be a problem, that's fair, i would like to point out that several of my villagers were, now dead, villagers

Yet again I find the content bad from misti but the way its said just sooooo villagery. Like I hate the monte vote clearly, but the way the variance thing at the end is added, the way she just ignores the option of fixated, etc.



and then that too
like
whoops forgot how to vote

The "irking" is obv purely game related so it's all good and fair

QUOTE=JimHalpert;32408198]binkles: im reading through ff9 and I feel like his annoyed, almost offended tone is similar to how hes interacting with you. Was his wolf game hookwinked or was it the anime one? Im running out of time[/QUOTE]



This was my interaction with Binkles right at eod about montecores tone in both FF9 (villager) and Hoodwinked (wolf). This is also what played a portion on determining he was a villager. The tone was similar to FF9 and nothing like Hoodwinked.

I have linked the games so you all can read for yourselfs and reach a conclusion:


ffix (villa)
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...hread-1184980/

hoodwinked (wolf)
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...hread-1178847/

ok well basically i thought chris started out great. i agreed with his posts 100% much of the time, and they seemed very villa. now i have used this little tell in the past and i think it's been right every timel; when someone is routinely making posts that i was going to make, asking questions i was going to ask, etc, then they're a villager. Aksdal surely remembers me using this to justify a villa read in the FFIX game as a wolf (but it was true, NLS was actually making posts that i was thinking, but of course i knew he was a villager bc i was a wolf, lol). but i have used it in the past as a villager, and it seems to work. ok, that's the good.

however, the bad is the flipping around on reads when/how it's convinient. backing away from confrontations and disappearing when the heat is. not being around during EOD (ok if time zone is an issue i get that, but still) then playing "i told you so" afterwards to absolve himself of all responsibility and shame the village, stopping with the excellent reads, not pushing any reads at all, not explaining reads too much, buddying up to former wolf leans (ok WN subbed, but still)? do not like one bit.

and ppl aren't going to like my conclusion very much, but i'm conflicted. he's trending down imo, but i'm not quite ready to suggest he be a lynch target just yet. but the floating around and avoiding conflict at all costs thing is kinda wolfy. HELP US FIND WOLVES, BR0!!!

do you think that is this fair, chris?

After going through his posts, i'll say that Misti is probably a villager. Fallen off the map a little bit, but the enthusiasm, the carefreeness and the pure volume of his posts in the beginning of the game is looking good.

To give a very rough review.

1.5 hours before EOD and derm, Monte, Slighted, and Misti all basically haven't posted yet...just great! (7 between the 4 of them)

kinda wanted to vote one of derm, Slighted, or Misti today, but...

maybe i wasn't clear earlier, but STOP IT WITH THE SMILIES, PLZ!!! lol

i still don't really understand that toga/Aksdal thing...

and yes, your wishy-washness could end up being fairly large problem at some point.

what would your current wolf list look like, chris?

Yeah that's very fair. I'm fully aware that i've been in a huge down spiral since d1 and there are several reasons to this. Trying to make up a little bit of ground right now. I do, however, disagree with the thought that it's bad that i've reversed reads, i've just acoomodated to the development of the game, i don't think that can be wolfy, only if you feel my reads have developed badly. Regarding the EOD's, that's just how it goes, i normally do have to go to bed several hours before what is EOD in this game. I'll be here the whole home stretch today though. About the hindsight. I always get in trouble for commenting on toga lol, maybe i should stop. And i wasn't really questioning it from a results oriented perspective, but from an optimal game play view(from my perspective)

5-4-3 now for monte-fixated-variance

So I think at this point the wolves are once again content with the wagons. There was a point in there were they were likely worried with the uncertainty of the wagons when it from from monte/variance but it calmed right back down with another villager thrown in the mix.



Binkles notes its quiet, which is accurate. Again, I believe it was v/v/v here and wolves were just like w/e sup br0s


5-4-2

This is important to note in combination with my previous comments about wolves being content and just being like sup br0s. Henrik is around doing work. He's questioning Cross, Variance, cross referincing what Telc was saying. I've established he's my strongest villa read already, and here he's doing work. Binkles (villa) was around doing work. I was doing work. I think my assumption that wolves were relaxing and coasting is correct.


Cross in trying to shake things up some. Shes SHC now, but again its a likely villager in the thread trying to do work.

ding ding ding

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I hate both of these votes. They are coming from people that weren't really around doing work, and just piling on with a one liner. One is "to save monte" and one is "cause monte is bitching". The thing is, both of these give them excuses on voting a villager - make it where they dont look bad. "sry bro i wasnt really sure fixated was a wolf, i just thought monte had been villagery. Lets lynch monte today tho". "sry bro i didnt really think fixated was wolfy, but im saving a villager".

I dont like it.
Not.
One.
Bit.

ok, can you tell me why Ship briefly became a wolf during D2 there? why did you have that read?

you had him as villaish D1, then again after i think you were pushed on your read of him being a wolf. then binkles thought your reasoning was poor (the posts you cited weren't very villa at all). so what happened there?