N-1 so cap tho not sure why not sun - 4 last turn then


Lots of options for waitress tho

Miss for sure (or waiter clue)

Pitcher of beer in the saloon to with your drums (not flats) and a fork to eat your dessert with

Miss/pitcher/beer seems like Hooters or barmaid

So prolly fork or saloon is ours

I'd go with Miss, beer, fork, cap

Saloon doesn't seem like a place with a waitress, and pitcher is am extra step away compared to fork

Miss/pitcher/beer = Hooters
Miss/beer/saloon = barmaid

Pitcher/beer/fork = waiter

Miss/beer/fork = waitress

miss/pitcher/fork = hostess? they seat you and bring you silverware and maybe drinks
miss/saloon/fork = not winning this turn

I think that's all the combos, so I'm good with

miss
fork
cap
beer
bottles

miss

fork

cap

beer

locust - 3
cajón - 3
Sun - 2
turbine - 2
waitress - 3

Back
Beer
Box
Cuckoo
Dragon
Drum
Gum
Line
Match
Parade
Pitcher
Quack
Saloon
Shed

Moses
Wing
Mosquito
Black hole
Round
Miss
Fork

Bench
Jet
Blade

Cap

march - unlimited

Parade
Drum
Line

for sure

And I said shed and box in case we needed back up. Roll with those 5?

Parade
Drum
Line
Shed
Box

Line

We can concede.

Mosquito
Black hole
Line
Wing
Round
Fork
Miss
Beer
Moses
Parade
Box
Drum
Jet
Gum
Blade
Bench
Shed
Cuckoo
Dragon
Back
Pitcher
Cap
Saloon
Quack
Match

So, I'm going to stop giving niche clues lol.

Cajon is Box/Drum/Bench, btw

Not sure why we thought it might be an illegal clue? I mean, I message IBD if I think a clue might be illegal anyway. But yeah, my bad for giving clues that might be common for me but not others...I think this is the second one I've done. I just didn't see any way we won from the start without some luck so I went for it.

Thank you for actually yolo'ing a list, we always should be doing that. There should never NOT be at least a one word list, even if it's just a guess. In this case, both shed and box were correct. Was hoping you would lead with those two given the unlimited clue. If the first was wrong, I probably would have just conceded. If the first was correct, n-1. If both, unlimited. But still, Line was an awful blocker but this was closer than it appears. Drum/Parade/Gum -> i was trying to go for something that got the first two but also implied stepping in gum or something. But Line killed me... Had line not been there, I may have gone with something like walking instead, but even 'back' was kind of a crappy blocker. Oh well...f that board.

This is a Cajon, btw. It's a box drum that you sit on while playing

I'd never heard of that in my life. Good clue though

Because cap wasn’t ours. I figured you’d bold cap and was fine with you doing so because it was neutral. This is what D1iab was talking about in the other thread about the “rule” of n-1 where you can never end on a 1-clue; the only way for me to avoid you ever guessing cap would’ve been to do a 1-clue first to get line off the board, but it was a blocker that I didn’t want off the board.

How else would you expect me to make my waitress clue without causing confusion? It was a 3-clue. I’d clued 5 words. We already had 5 words on the board. Why would cap automatically be ours if not for n-1? If I clued unlimited, then you guys would’ve been scouring the thread to find which word in addition to cap you should bold, rather than assuming waitress was a 3-clue + pass. Seems like a flaw.

Can we at least agree that in the future we will leave list words to the end of our turn if they’re not clear makeups? Again, I clued Sun - 3. Based on how I clued, you didn’t need to get another word for Sun. So why guess cap ahead of beer?

Putting cap first was just me being lazy on a copy paste. I'm pretty sure nich was joking with the beer/bottles thing at the end, and I couldn't be arsed to move it on my phone, so that's on me

I think a 3 clue there with cap neutral was fine, and doesn't make the n-1 convention less useful

I disagree, but Nich can confirm or deny.

Of course it was fine with cap being neutral, but what if cap was blue? Or orchid? Sure I could’ve clued for line first, but this would make it necessary when it wasn’t the optimal play. And the only way to absolutely guarantee you don’t bold cap is a zero clue. So now we’re wasting clues to avoid you guys guessing a word that was never clued for (we were 5/5 at that point).

Of course, it could’ve been spursed, but how often do the stars align? We were on track to be up 8-3 with blues having no idea what their first clue even meant. Risk-reward.

I still think n-1 is useful, but it’s also flawed. It’s less flawed than anything else that’s been brought to the table imo, which is why I still use it.

I think ignoring it in this specific case would have been smart - we nailed all the clues, and there was no reason to think we got lucky with cap.

I only did cap before beer because I wanted the beer bottles joke

I figured cap was our or it was neutral and you wanted us to get the 3 waitress words and then we end on neutral which doesn’t hurt anyway

If cap wasn’t ours then it was a word you hadn’t yet clued for so next turn you’d clue it and we would make up beer bottles then

Without that joke I woulda done cap last

Guessing cap before beer really surprised me. You had no makeup words. And just felt like pretending sun had a makeup words because n-1?

That makes sense lol

And yeah I guess there are specific cases where you can ignore n-1 like

Animals - 4:

Lion
Cat
Dolphin
Parrot
Pass

Piranha


Drinks - 2:

Beer
Lemonade

Pass

Soda


Fly - 2:

Plane
Jet

Now that was n-1 and we know soda isn’t gonna be ours or you woulda clued drinks 3 so we can guess the 2 and pass

But that is 100% obvious while cap is 80% obvious and I guess where is the line?

I use n-1 bc no prior agreement needed so I tend to not worry about these edge cases; if cap was assassin then I’d just clue waitress 3 before sun 2 so that there wasn’t a chance we had cap left over as an n-1 word