Yeah not sure if Palmar actually just claimed wolf in this response or not but why I think that is because

1) I switched my vote because I noticed the people on the wagon and it was going against my logic. I couldn't explained it last night and getting pushed now over the fact whatever yo.

2) You are admitting that you noticed people on the wagon before you jumped there.

So it doesn't add up.

Thingy was hard defending a neutral read Tappo. How is that a good villagery thing? He also said he would do the exact same thing for all his neutral leans.

Which is a flat out lie. He did not defend anyone else like he did for hoya and herbie.

VMF are you going to respond about Ace's vote?

You know, we could vote him 9 times and see if that gets him posting. I don't like this reason.

Thingyman has done nothing throughout the game other than declare me and Herbie town, flop his vote back and forth between like 2-3 people, and EVERY single time town starts honing in on anything, he's popping in and saying "how about this statement from this guy, anyone see that" or "you said this, can you explain?" and then "can you explain your explanation" and "can you comment on that" and "so and so said this, anyone see that" or "what are your reads, list them".

In other words, every time town starts isolating (or bracketing as I call it) and gaining some focus, he flies in and starts introducing conversation starters that muddle and or splinter the focus. It is a completely anti-town way to play.

You are not misunderstanding. Tappioca is gently putting in work to douse suspicions I'm casting and to counter points I'm making. He's just not over-pronounced in doing it. It is why I keep waffling on him, and saying he's pinging.

No, it wasn't.

Tappioca is now my favorite candidate to be the "too clean to be town" scum member. I really do not like the agenda he's brought into this day.

Man, I accidentally was on page 39 of this thread and almost quoted someone's post to respond to them.

Thats not really the type of response im looking for here. Do you think what you quoted from analstanley was a very good catch?

You are dodging all around this.

ah yeah sorry. i saw your post but then got distracted.

I missed his vote on me. I need to do a full read of the thread. I have been unsure on ace all game. Not sure why he would want to lynch me, or vote me.

this is fleshing out beautifully. I feel better about monstrman too

I'm not sure what you're saying but I was not claiming wolf.

I am admitting that I was fully aware who was trying to lynch Hoya. That has nothing to do with whether or not I vote Hoya myself. I am not guaranteed to be right.

No one knows because he did not explain it.

agree on this whole post. i especially agree with bold and your tappo read. His posts are really strking me as agenda driven today.

No clue why he would want to drop his analstanley pressure and focus elsewhere. Seems like a wolf avoiding targeting another wolf because they are so close to winning.

It's okay. Ace responded to it saying that I had caught Stanley lying, which is too strong of a statement. It's within the realm of possible for villager Stanley to get the idea that wolves believed Despo's claim and then do no further leg work or thinking on it. But the fact that he didn't go any further with it or try to reconcile his new theory with his preexisting wolf leans is still wolfy, on average.

I am fairly confident Tappo should not be on the table as a possible lynch candidate.

Not really willing to lynch today:
The John McClane
merk_sa
riot.conn
Palmar
Capt. Kiwi
monstrman

Narrowed pool (my top 3 on top, the rest in no particular order for now):
Thingyman
tappokone
BlackWerewolfGenie
Analstanley
Mills
Arcbell
Ace_TL
VarianceMinefield
Despothera
Glotnot

khm khm so everybody I kind of think Palmar out himself and out despo with him for once and now it kinda makes sense why Palmar would vote hoya over despo and openly admitting that he saw people on that wagon.

He was hard pushing McClane and end up on the wagon with him while doesn't want to add despo.

Now what happens here is if you notice I didn't ask Palmar anything about Despo wagon, I simply asked if he noticed the people he was jumping on the hoya wagon with before he voted.

Yet he feels need to say that despo just as well might be mafia.

Why is that, brah?

did you ever follow through on it and pressure stanley? how did he respond to you?

A further thought on claiming:

The angel should stay hidden and vanillagers who are not in danger should not claim to be vanillagers. This is important because if the seer decides to claim at some point, we'll need the angel to protect him. If the angel is known to the wolves, they'll be able to roleblock the angel and kill the seer, thus depriving us of an extra peek.

If we have a prostitute instead of a proper angel, the equity swing isn't as dramatic, but it's still there.

so are you claiming the wolves have a role block? This seems like possible TMI

Alright, I have to head out. I will check back into the thread over the weekend, but my time will be limited. If there's something I need to respond to, please put @riot.conn in the post so I can search for it easily. I'm still confident with my stance on blackwerewolfgenie and ace_tl being scum so my vote is staying where it is. See you guys later.

It is possible I'm wrong on McClane. I already said it a few times that I don't make associative reads.

Do you think it's unreasonable to discuss the competing wagon when asked about the first one.

And I'm just being honest. I say Despo might be mafia, I read his filter through yesterday and did not come away with any kind of a strong conclusion.

actually wow. this is even worse than i originally thought. no only does he show certainty in a wolf role blocker.

but he shows doubt in if the village has a angel

The post in which he voted Despo is his most recent.

They almost certainly do.

Why did you feel the need to add that Despo as well might be mafia.

I didn't ask you a single thing about despo that's the whole thing.

I just wanted to know how your logic went last night, because when I noticed I am on the wagon with people I don't like, I had to change my vote.

You admit you see people on the wagon you don't like and you vote with them.

That's not a good.