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03-16-2012 , 01:06 AM

#1976

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr

I don't leave peeks as the seer, nor do I leave fakepeeks as vanilla, and remind players of this in most games. Nothing I said is remotely peeklike. If I wanted to leave a peek, which I wouldn't, I would leave it extremely obviously considering how many times I've seen peeks misinterpreted in games.

gg wolves, ty for modding perdition.

Can you elaborate on why? In this setup, it just seems like the seer will die really fast, with a small player pool, and the wolves having a seer and 2 kills every night. I can see this line being good in a game where the wolves only have their one night kill, but it seems super duper risky in a game with so few players but with wolves seerhunting three times as fast. There was also a live angel that could angel you, meaning you get one more peek for sure as long as the angle hadn't angeled you the night before.

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03-16-2012 , 01:08 AM

#1977

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Originally Posted by Montecore

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I don't leave peeks either; maybe I should start.

I assume you claim on d3 if we don't vig you?

The angel would have been dead and I would have had only fly = villa so I don't know. I think I prove that the seer is super overvalued in a game with a miller and wolf seer, not that not leaving peeks is necessarily bad.

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03-16-2012 , 01:11 AM

#1978

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Originally Posted by flytrap

I've written at length on why I don't believe anyone should leave peeks or fakepeeks in another game and was ridiculed for it, but if you want to look it up feel free. It was the last vanilla game I played.

Re: This game in particular: There was a miller in this game, leaving a wolf peek is super risky, and it was the only peek I had.

the angel (assuming he is still alive) means that I can claim a day earlier, it doesn't mean it makes more sense to leave peeks I don't think.

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03-16-2012 , 01:13 AM

#1979

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr

I don't leave peeks as the seer

wait, what

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03-16-2012 , 01:13 AM

#1980

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Originally Posted by Montecore

Also, who'd you peek on n2?

fly, it would help me get to the bottom of if come was a wolf, as he only made sense on a team that included flytrap. Plus, I was very certain Caedus was villa, and with a fly villa peek for him to work with he would have been better able to re-evaluate the game and find the wolves without focusing his attention on fly.

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03-16-2012 , 01:15 AM

#1981

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fwiw fly, if i leave the come = wolf peek, the only thing that changes is come is the mustlynch mislynch and not you.

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03-16-2012 , 01:17 AM

#1982

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Originally Posted by flytrap

^^^ This.

Also, fancy play suggests that the angel could actually NOT protect you and then the wolves have to decide whether to chance wasting a kill. Then, if they don't chance it, you get an extra peek, AND they waste an NK the next night. It's high risk, but super high reward, imo.

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03-16-2012 , 01:19 AM

#1983

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr

fwiw fly, if i leave the come = wolf peek, the only thing that changes is come is the mustlynch mislynch and not you.

Not necessarily. I felt pretty sure come was villa and wouldn't have been talked into the switch. I would have felt it pretty obvious he was miller.

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03-16-2012 , 01:21 AM

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fwiw fly, if i leave the come = wolf peek, the only thing that changes is come is the mustlynch mislynch and not you.

This is true, but it's results oriented. There were 5 wolves and 1 miller.

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03-16-2012 , 01:21 AM

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Not necessarily. I felt pretty sure come was villa and wouldn't have been talked into the switch. I would have felt it pretty obvious he was miller.

That's a very egocentric perspective of the game. i didn't peek fly wolf or use any language that would suggest I did, but many of you convinced yourselves I did, and he wasn't even remotely wolfy once he got heat for it, especially considering the last game we played.

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03-16-2012 , 01:24 AM

#1986

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He was decently wolfy before that and definitely more wolfy than come.

I just don't understand the logic of never posting your peeks. WTF good does that do the town?

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03-16-2012 , 01:25 AM

#1987

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I can't fathom how it helps. I'm willing to hear a reason and then immediately dismiss it as preposterous though.

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03-16-2012 , 01:27 AM

#1988

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Originally Posted by crmccarty

He was decently wolfy before that and definitely more wolfy than come.

I just don't understand the logic of never posting your peeks. WTF good does that do the town?

If you're never mislynched (like me) it probably means you can get an extra peek or two in without worry about getting nk'd.

I've definitely thought about it (especially since I never leave fakepeeks, so once I start I might get nk'd for it), but since I've never been randed seer

I have no idea what I would actually do.

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03-16-2012 , 01:27 AM

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Can someone start another one of these I wanna play again ASAP I really liked this format thx perdition. I do think u need a vote counter with a post counter if it's gonna be post restriction tho.

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03-16-2012 , 01:27 AM

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He was decently wolfy before that and definitely more wolfy than come.

I just don't understand the logic of never posting your peeks. WTF good does that do the town?

It increases seer longevity. Most wolves hunt on peeks alone and don't know how to read for village PRs on tone. Without peeks the wolves won't even consider you for NK. I'm not a strong player and never killed early, which means not leaving peeks is extremely optimal for my game image, as all leaving peeks would do is help the wolves sniff me out.

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03-16-2012 , 01:28 AM

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I'm gonna start calling it "the town" so funny

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03-16-2012 , 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr

Saying that someone is a wolf, then voting them, and only coming off them when you need to vote a real wagon at EOD, will always look like your peek when you die seer. It's possible that you're leveling yourself here, trying to think at too high a level. I think in w/w, especially as the seer, you need to assume your fellow players will be playing level one. You may need to trick a few people, and in those spots leveling is fine, but as the seer, your target audience is the entire village, so you need to tailor your play to a bunch of level one players.

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03-16-2012 , 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NLSoldier

Can someone start another one of these I wanna play again ASAP I really liked this format thx perdition. I do think u need a vote counter with a post counter if it's gonna be post restriction tho.

+ 1

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03-16-2012 , 01:29 AM

#1994

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My biggest mistake was obv not reminding people in this game that I don't leave peeks, but I literally just stated such in the very last game I played so it wasn't on my mind, lulz.

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03-16-2012 , 01:30 AM

#1995

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If I'd have known Homer's meta, and been a villager, I for sure would have mentioned it. Not sure it would have mattered in this setup though.

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03-16-2012 , 01:33 AM

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Yeah I didn't remember Homer saying that, but I was a wolf.

And Homer I wanted to spk you n1

I thought you played well

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03-16-2012 , 01:33 AM

#1997

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Originally Posted by flytrap

Where are the posts where I say you are a wolf? Seers should use very clear language. had I died n1 everyone would have thought Andrew was my wolf peek, which would have been equally silly, although yielded a much better result. Werewolf is a game of communication. I failed in communicating my seer strat (not leaving peeks beforehand), and take blame, but I am very cautious of the language I use in every role, and would never make any peek so ambiguous. The only way I could think anyone would read any of that as a peek is if they think I'm a noob.

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03-16-2012 , 01:35 AM

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If you tell me not to look for peeks, die seer, I'm going to then look for peeks anyways. Assuming you read the PM its not info you can forget to know anyhow so I don't get not leaving it. It's not like you spew seer when you leave peeks. And as a vanilla villager shouldn't you actively be trying to draw night kills?