this is the post that made you think ratchet was the cop?

This is me asking originally, and the answer: (you win, you actually made me open your ISO -.-) This is the response today:

Does seem like polishing, to me.

if you had a strong cop read on him why did you still say you'd rather lynch him over cue if given the choice?

If road is scum then Achro should be as a good as SHC for that post imo.

I believe so.

Yeah it was done in a much larger post but the way he responded to it was like "gross read but I'll entertain the cop thing" It was a tone read and very odd of him to point out unless he wasn't afraid out outing a potential cop because he phrased it as "your peek"

I was more sure that cue was villager than ratchet was cop.

Correct town at least my feelings about today are this game is very close to being on auto. We have doc/achro/fonti/myself (obviously I have me) leaving 5 outside. If you have 1 more town in that group then you have yourself. This is assuming town reads on achro/fonti. Slendy is my town outside. So at that point it is an auto game. For style I'm going to try to lynch the scum in order but thats a hard uphill battle for scum they have to REALLY work hard to push a lynch on one of me fonti/slendy assuming we're all town. If scum was in that circle then they probably are going to be very hard to get lynched.

My full progression on you was that I thought you sounded different from last game then you town read me when I lightly town read you for something I don't recall. I think was scum reading you for town reading me so fast and then not being around very much.

After the EoD and you not being there and a town dying I had you as scummy for not caring about the EoD at the time I was under the assumption Ratchet still might have been town/cop so in my mind that made anyone less likely to be around as scummy.

Then MSU outed and I thought you were still scummy and in PoE and you were pushing a case on me then when I was taking a shower I think that you might be town again.

I probably missed some stuff but thats how I remember it. Right now I think I want to read your posts that feeling in the shower has fleeted away its probably still true but I don't have teh same "OH ****" this is right moment as before.

Actually I mean it less that they have the advantage of being mafia. That maybe makes them make fewer mistakes too.

But I mean now, in the last day or two. When they are having evert move cross analyzed. Their responses NOW will be too perfect. They'll always have a good reason for what they did. Not because they know more than us. But because their real reason is "this person is a villager I want dead and I was trying to speed that process up". But they can't say that. They have to make up a reason they felt something. But when you're making up reaaons it's easy to respond to every accusation with sound logic. Easy to see the accusation and get around it, because you're just making uo whatever suits your defense the best.

Real villagers only have so many logical thoughts. If they are pushed really hard like road is being, the accusers will eventually punch holes in the logic because.... well... people are irrational sometimes. And a few good thoughts can drive 100 posts. But a few good thoughts can't defend 100 questions about those 100 posts. A villager eventutally says "this was my logic. That's what I said because of it." Because eventually "we" ask question their logic can't explain. Wolves always have a good response because their logic is made up and fluid on a question by question basis.

I see what you're saying.

dorian

I don't.

I could probably ask you 100 questions about why you voted for cue and 80 of them you might be able to answer through logic but sometimes that just won't get the last 20.

Like for me I thought that ratchet was the cop. I can show you the post thought about what it meant to me at the time thought about why. My logic made sense to me so I went with it. If I was scum I'd probably have a MUCH cleaner answer for why I was voting how I did. I'd have seen what was happening and had to think of answers for question as they're asked because I didn't really has the pure thoughts.

Like if you're asking questions about interpretation a scum could almost always answer in a good way where a town might not have the perfect interpretation because town isn't always using the best logic.

Fair enough.

Are you going to explain the dorian vote toDay?

Oh a bit of tinfoil on fonti for something that happened in a video mafia game she relentlessly called me mafia day 1 when I was town and a confirm-able role and didn't do much else. Kinda makes me worried about this game but I want to think she'd be more careful about those two things occurring during the same time if she was scum in this game.

This can be viewed when I'm dead and gone if you haven't won and she is still around. I still think she is town and probably shouldn't be reevaluated for the moment. Even if she did what I'm saying I think she RARELY kills cue in the night.

Nah just thoguht I'd leave it there and bail.

I might have done it in that game because of this game (OGI, OGI, OGI).

IT was so bad. Just like your cue vote was so bad. I'm confident you will get more obvious as the game progresses if you're a wolf especially if I'm still around. So not too worried about it right now.

That's not OGI btw thats meta. OGI would be talking about this game in that game or in private.

Talking about a past game in this game is fine

I like this.

Nah, the way I used meta from an ongoing game in an ongoing game was OGI. It happens a lot when I'm playing games at the same time with the same people. Also, ouch.

Anyway, you do see the problem with your Dorian vote, right? You went straight from talking to Doc about how town can't also explain their votes well to making an unexplained vote that doesn't fit with your previous logic. You cannot be that obvious.

I wasn't voting anyone. I haven't talked a lot about my suspects except in general sense the MSU reveal and me reading ratchet for spew (which I haven't posted a real synopsis of.

The only way we lose a game like this is complacency. Maybe I have a reason for voting dorian maybe I don't. Maybe i think hes lock clear or lock wolf. I obviously will expand more later but I want to have the vote there for a reason.

How come you didn't react to my answer to the ratchet being cop for the check on on riki not making sense thing? I kinda thought you were having the moment I did.

To add on. My vote on dorian had little to do with what I was saying to doc. I'm just not a spammer so I wanted it in one post. (that or I had to go because the phone rang at work)

Votes from post 1743 to post 2023
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	road	dorian78 (15), Riki (64), Slendy (61), fontisian (23)
2	dorian78	DocEspana (15), TehBankertin (43)
3	not voting	Achromatic (18), bhuber2010 (7), road (26)

I feel like doc has said a lot in his 15 posts. Not the same feeling from dorian.