H-have you never played mafia before? On day one, especially? That bolded is just laughable. Later on certainly, end day okay, but middle of day one to just lay that thought down is absurd.

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I've played a lot of mafia. In a game this small, it almost never happens.

No, I just like to point out mafia-esque behavior when it seems a number of players in the game are giving you a free pass as of right now.

Its pretty hard to have a voice in the game when I am not as active as I would normally otherwise be (i.e. working M-W this week is unfortunate but a reality for me).

So basically I just have to call people out without care of reprecussion.

Not sure what the general thread flow is/how people have you on their lists right now - dont really care either - just pointing out you're pathetically soft reasoning for casting your vote (and at the time you were considering landing it on someone who I have/had as a wolf lean up until I rejoined the thread).

So yeah, figured people should at least know that what you're doing is fairly wolfy (I cant really say "mafia-y" cause it sounds dumb?) in nature.

I suppose I cant help you when you believe that there is a 0 percent chance that 5 townies vote another in that spot when that literally happens all the time (especially on day 1).

I see it happen a fair amount, disregarding that day one reads are the weakest therefore you town reading five people is a bit presumptive.

Yeah I don't think your mafia logic is in the right of way here.

In a 13 player game? When it's been the only large wagon all Day? Really?

There's just a lot of weird assumptions that get you to that point. The first is considering "5 townies" as all town. From my perspective, your reads are far from infallible.

The only thing your analysis does is compound errors when townies are wrong, thats simply saddening.

As a wolf, its perfect justification for landing your vote on another townie with 0 accountability other than to say "everyone else was doing it".

Not that its beyond impossible that you could just be using poor logic as a townie, I just find its more likely you would do it as a wolf.

Yes.

I've probably played at least 50+ games in this exact format - probably more than all of you combined (merely because I only play vanilla werewolf and I play it all on 2+2).

This wagon formation is basically non-unique to every game I've ever played and I am sure one could conduct some sort of case-study that would conclude this exact thing probably happens >25% of the time.

Without objective information, people get lazy on d1 and just wait till later game days to really start playing.

D1 isnt a crap shoot, people are just generally bad at knowing what to look for.

(i'd have liked to have had more time to help out with this, alas, I do not).

On the other hand I think this stupid argument from font is probably town based being the "oh hey, duh" moment she had coming to this point so that feels genuine but I think it is junk mafia theory at the same time.

Let's get more votes on Slendy. We need to power up this spirit bomb.

Sadly, no one really addressed the bolded posting yesterday (not that no one really addressed them, it just appears no one else had the same line of thinking I did).

Anyhow, I'll pull up some really, really small snippets for the sake of clarity/time.

I don't think they're all town. I'm just pretty sure three of the six people involved are.

bhuber: I'd be less annoyed if you were caught up with the thread and realized I had laid out my problems with you before that.

If you think fonti could be mafia, what do you think of slendy and font's early interactions about bomb?

I think Day 1 is usually the most revealing and if you know what to look for, can catch things early on. I wish you'd been around more, I think you might've been good to play off of.

There isnt much I am going to be able to do about trying to balance being caught up/vs posting at all/interacting in real-time, I merely have a time crunch and I'll just have to do the best I can until Thursday (really only the first actual game day is going to be tough for me).

I doubt there are really many problems to be had but since I have been unavailable/preoccupied, I would presume the source of them is my relative inactivity compared to anything that you found mafia-ish? (wtf, I still cant find the right word for this).

"could be" is a good way to strike it, I am not "set" on anyone being mafia - part of why people are poor mafia players is because they refuse to rebalance and reconsider their reads on a timely basis - they get stuck thinking someone is something until objective information tells them otherwise - often that objective information comes in the form of a mis-lynch and its already too late to reconsider reads.

Unfortunately, it appears my main two contributions today are going to be to ISO MSU and fonti since those were the two players that I called out yesterday. It appears that once I have more free time come the next game day, I will be able to offer more credible advice on the remaining players.

Let me read them both here quickly and I'll let you know how I feel about their roles in totality.

Ányone else that feels like this post is very constructed? I mean, the way of elaborating on his reads ending up with a vote on smartbomb based on some - in my opinion - small reads. I'm not sure I even agree with them, but it could be because I have read Smartbomb villager for most parts of the game.

THis could just be the style of dorian, but for me it seems like the whole post is written with the sole purpose of presenting Smartbomb as scum - but he had disguised it a bit in like discussing other players (s potential votes). Also I dot find the reasons convincing, which is why I find it unlikely a villager, who arep laying his first game on a new forum, would feel the need for presenting a scumread with so much (hidden) confidence.

Bhuber I call it 'scummy', to aid you on your endeavor.

I don't think there is anything wrong, on the surface, of a constructed post. I think that's probably pretty null. It may be because I really liked the post biasing me though.

Achromatic: What information do you feel that a slendy lynch will give about other players? He's posted for such a short window of time and only right at the beginning, this is one step away from lynch-a-lurker.

That takes like 5 days. -_-

I did not think about that. I don't care about information, I care about results. I read his posts, did not get town intent, so I am voting for him. Lynching for information is a nice theory that backfires more often than not. I am in the business of finding scum.

Fwiw (which I know is absolutely nothing), it's totally the style of dorian. I'm sure anyone from my board reading along is agreeing.

Yes, and the reason for that is I find it to be manipulative, and only really scum have reason to try and manipulate the Town at large. I'm not going to push that angle too much though, because I know for a fact others disagree with me on this, but that's one of the reasons you are lean scum for me.

Okay, so fonti are pushing very hard for either a cue or bhuber lynch tonight. I agree with those reads - as i think they are the most scummy too, however that is not the reason why I read fonti as being villager. I think the very aggressive and constant push on these two - and not really considering others as being scum is villagery.

I mean, wolfs would probably open up for other votes, also in my experience wolves are rarely leading the lynch this early on d1, and finally I believe that it is typical villager to not consider their scumreads as maybe being town (and the opposite of their townreads)

fonti is now on my villagerlist