it's crucially important that we talk about how much you want to lynch yourself.

i have to sleep soon and i don't know if i'll see Day 2. so i'm posting my ISOs.

Can you point me to the posts where Ryker backtracked?

What team do you smell?

I just really dont know what else you all want me to say to my reason. It concerns me that it doesn't make sense to you all.

Let me help you out.

You said some stuff.

I thought you were scummy.

You said some more stuff.

I thought you were towny.

I think that covers it on my end.

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	kaboose	Verbal32 (39), #HBC | Ryker (24)
2	*Alpha*	tortugagrande (42), JunkheadX (42)
1	Achromatic	Bcb (13)
1	Saposhiente	lilrascal (33)
1	#HBC | Ryker	Maki_ (14)
1	Maki_	Achromatic (33)
1	JunkheadX	kaboose (53)
1	Verbal32	Saposhiente (36)
1	tortugagrande	*Alpha* (11)
2	unvote	JaggedJimmyJay (66), MSU (50)

I think the most pertinent question is what you will do if you don't get lynched or NK'd?

Are you giving up on D1 or the whole game?

Just caught up

Kaboose if you're going to just basically falls on the sword here, which I hate Btw

Who's your top three scum and top three town

J3 I didn't forget going back to find your question(s) again

Day 1 ISO - Saposhiente

if this is just an RVS contribution, i don't mind it. but it's not; it's a deliberate attempt to stifle the production of thick content for what i perceive to be no reason. i don't like it.

this post follows soon after, which i find curious. the final conclusion Alpha provided in his "number noise" post was that the cop ought to consider following advice of others in the thread. Saposhiente is right to ask this question, but it seems rather contradictory to the vote he'd just placed for a player who literally suggested "giving advice" to the cop.

Sapo should expand on this point. to my eyes it looks redundant in the wrong way: too much cop discussion could be actively harmful because it is an under-utilization of our time.

i was perturbed by this vote when it happened and it seems some others were as well. Sapo's explanation since has amounted to it being a means of applying pressure. his abrupt attention shift to the small case i'd mounted on the first page (100 posts) and away from his own suspicions didn't look especially good though. i think one's read on this hinges a lot on one's read of Bcb. mine was neutral, so i won't level a serious accusation at this point.

i admit these posts confuse me a bit. i have personally never encountered this proposed strategy in which some townies might prefer to analyze posts before they've been explained/expanded upon. so this notion strikes me as very foreign. has anyone else encountered this, or is it an assertion Sapo has made without consistent precedent?

interesting post. i honestly didn't anticipate Sapo offering an admission that his approach to this point has been flawed given his past experience in Mafia. i don't like to be influenced by things like this which i have no means of verifying.

one thing does stand out in his reads though: Alpha has leaped up the list from most suspicious to something more neutral. what caused the change of perspective on Alpha, Sapo?

from there his content has been relevant to this recent kaboose drama and not easily read without more data.

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this one was important to me because numerous players have expressed consistent suspicion of Saposhiente... but i haven't. i suppose he has glided away from my view while i've focused on whoever else. i don't like some of his earliest content and have expressed why. generally though he's a pretty neutral read.

I will set the tone for Ya of how I see it

I accuse Achromatic

Suddenly Ryker gives a list of all the players, leaves achro off or it then calls me forever lack of rememberence at the moment, worthless.

It think he then realizes he left him off, says he doesn't remember him doing anything besides voting for him, then says Ya he may be scum, puts him in a group with others.

I can't speak for others, but as town when someone votes for me I generally tend to pay a lot closer attention to their posts.

So he writes a long character post forgetting the guy who voted for him supposedly, then slightly remembers then he s on scum list . Could it be innocent, maybe but I don't like it.

To me that draws a connection to the two intended of not as a possible scum team

I found this exchange between Bcb and Verbal odd. Bcb is asking for players thoughts just on scum, not their thoughts on both town and skum. On the sites I play, I normally see people ask for both.

Verbal replies with his responses, which is good for Verbal, but I'd like to see more rationale than he's provided.

I really don't like his lazy questioning here: "Just to refresh my memory".

I give credit to Verbal for replying, but Bcb doesn't look good here IMO.

Maybe it's Bcb's lack of posts in the game so far, but this didn't seem to be scum hunting or clearing town. It seemed fake on Bcb's part, especially when he didn't follow up.

Day 1 ISO - tortugagrande

this was a recurring theme for the first half of the day phase. as an inspiration for an RVS vote it's fine, but i think he took it too far. we'll observe in other examples as i progress.

posts like this have been very commonplace. these three were all quite early and perhaps more innocuous accordingly, but there were others that came later in the phase too. this seems to be TG's shtick. one might say he is prodding people in a reactionary manner and it would thus be a town tell. one might also say he is making unsupported assertions arbitrarily, and it would thus be a scum tell. for me? it's a nothing tell. because it's nothing.

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another later example of his seemingly unfounded aggression against Alpha

i am often wary when people shrug off accusations (even if relatively trivial) as though they don't even exist. it's evasive more than lazy.

"play more like i play" at best

"willfully make yourself less useful" at worst

this strikes me as nonsense. a distinct effort to shrink content for the sake of making "easier" reads later in the game is abjectly counterproductive in rather obvious ways.

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he's more suspicious than the mean, though probably less so than kaboose or Maki. he is certainly deliberate about it.

Frankly I had to get back to work, I was hoping to get some discussion going. I like to gauge the field the first 24 hours then get some reads going

I'd like to get your reads. Who are your top 3 scum and top 3 town players?

don't worry guys, i'll STFU soon. this is the last one. ;-)

Day 1 ISO - Verbal32

don't like it. i didn't like the kaboose post either that produced this response granted. but this accusation seems contrived even by the standards of Day 1 Page 1. i don't know why kaboose's post incites a reaction of "trying to sound townie". indeed he was telling townies not to talk about something, which is itself less than "sounding townie".

popcorn commentary. why not point to the alleged backpedaling and express why it seems so?

agreeable sentiment. my call for attention really shouldn't be a town tell on a slow Day 1.

this was in response to Bcb's explanation of his inactivity and bold-names-are-votes controversy. it's a vague offer of support. what about Bcb's explanation did you like, Verbal?

this is somewhat suspicious. lilrascal prompted him to share his thoughts after he explained his behavior as being apart from his "typically spammy Day 1s". his response was essentially to say that he no thoughts in potentially disguised language.

one might assert that Verbal is endorsing the prolonged survival of low-post-count players here, which would leave town in a disadvantaged position in most late-game scenarios. there's really no reason to assume the scum would specifically target quieter people than louder people. the cop can be anyone among them, and louder people are typically a bigger threat.

"it's impossible to share a read with your own suspect"

meh

you're welcome! now i wish your ISO was projecting more positive than this. :P

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there are a lot of little points in this post history that give me pause, so it sort of makes Verbal suspicious by attrition. none of these points scream at me though and it leaves Verbal a good opportunity to answer to them.

I liked what you started to do here, but you need to finish this.

Start with your top 3 scum and top 3 town.

My responses to JJJ:
Alpha can produce his content as think as he wants until it becomes noise. Detailed analysis good, useless details bad.
I criticized the delivery and usefulness of Alpha's analysis. I support the principle, and read it as possible fake-town.
To me at least, "actively harmful" = the words said actually harmed town, i.e. it would have been better for us to say nothing at all. It wasn't that.
I think calling it a "shift" mischaracterizes it. I still had my eye on alpha, but while he was away I figured I could poke bcb since he had shown up but not said anything of use.
Alpha was never really "most suspicious"; he was just first to do something anti-town. I saw from the start a satisfactory explanation right in his bio (ego), but figured it productive to pressure him. After returning, I developed behavioral suspicions, and Alpha wasn't one of them.

preview edit: yeah I'm working on my case for verbal

It was to minutes between posts which is doable but still...


J3
As far as Rascal goes, he likes my top two scum reads as town so for me, that raises huge red flags

ALSO as far as MSU goes, he seems to overreact to everything I post about him and overreact to me, when, at this moment, I have no one's faith, seems sketchy

thanks for bearing with me while i trudged through that exercise y'all.

CLIFFS NOTES:

JunkheadX
lilrascal
Ryker
Alpha
Achromatic
Bcb
Saphosiente
tortugagrande
Verbal23
kaboose
Maki

the order is quite rough.

Sigh that should say he likes two of my top scum reads, as in he thinks they are town

Home in a lil over 30 minutes. Will read and be here for deadline.

Where's MSU on the list?

I think you are missing much context, which I suppose is the point of your iso.

And your number one green is my biggest lean, because of that lack of context. He dickstepped then dumbtold. Until anyone proves otherwise, they aren't too smart to have done so.

yup good call Bcb. forgot MSU.

I will give you the three I'm farthest away of thinking they are scum. I refuse to believe anyone is town day one

J3, alpha, maki

Most convinced are scum

Achromatic, Ryker, MSU