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03-06-2016 , 01:29 PM

#17926

Aicirt

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Word. To save time, please tell us the country and use up two more questions.

We will have 5 questions left after that.

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03-06-2016 , 01:38 PM

#17927

Gadarene

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for reference:

01. Fiction
02. First published 1950 or before
03. First published between 1850 and 1950
04. First published between 1911 and 1950
05. Not in the crime/detective/mystery genre
06. Male author
07. Not in the sci-fi/fantasy genre
08. Not a novel by a North American author
09. Author not born in Europe
10. Author born in neither Asia nor Oceania
11. A novel
12. Author born in South/Central America
13. Author born in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, or Guatemala

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03-06-2016 , 01:38 PM

#17928

Gadarene

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So:

A novel, first published between 1911 and 1950, by a male author born in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, or Guatemala.

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03-06-2016 , 01:41 PM

#17929

eyebooger

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Argentina

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03-06-2016 , 01:44 PM

#17930

Gadarene

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As I mentioned above, Jorge Amado has a number of novels that qualify. (He's from Brazil.)

Asturias, who is Guatemalan, likewise has a couple of novels that squeak into the timeframe.

Will see who else I can find. We can potentially narrow things down significantly with a range of the date of death. (Say, before or after 1975)

Edit: Argentina! Okay, that's helpful.

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03-06-2016 , 01:44 PM

#17931

Gadarene

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01. Fiction
02. First published 1950 or before
03. First published between 1850 and 1950
04. First published between 1911 and 1950
05. Not in the crime/detective/mystery genre
06. Male author
07. Not in the sci-fi/fantasy genre
08. Not a novel by a North American author
09. Author not born in Europe
10. Author born in neither Asia nor Oceania
11. A novel
12. Author born in South/Central America
13. Author born in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, or Guatemala
14. Author born in Argentina or Brazil
15. Author born in Argentina

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03-06-2016 , 01:46 PM

#17932

Gadarene

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Could be Ernesto Sabato or Roberto Arlt.

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03-06-2016 , 01:49 PM

#17933

xander biscuits

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I think we should narrow the first published range

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03-06-2016 , 01:51 PM

#17934

xander biscuits

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

Could be Ernesto Sabato or Roberto Arlt.

Ernesto only has 1 novel first published in the appropriate range

we can also consider Adolfo Bioy Casares

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03-06-2016 , 01:52 PM

#17935

Gadarene

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Benito Lynch (The Caranchos of Florida, The Englishman of the Bones, The Romance of a Gaucho)

Leopoldo Marechal (Adam Buenosayres)

Ricardo Guiraldes (Don Segundo Sombra)

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03-06-2016 , 01:52 PM

#17936

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

I think we should narrow the first published range

this is a good idea

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03-06-2016 , 02:01 PM

#17937

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

Ernesto only has 1 novel first published in the appropriate range

we can also consider Adolfo Bioy Casares

For Casares it would likely be The Invention of Morel, since that's the only one with its own Wikipedia entry

(I guess that's a potential question too)

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03-06-2016 , 02:06 PM

#17938

Gadarene

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Aggregating some candidates and the likeliest of their works:

Benito Lynch -- The Caranchos of Florida (1916), The Englishman of the Bones (1924), The Romance of a Gaucho (1930)

Leopoldo Marechal -- Adam Buenosayres (1948)

Ricardo Guiraldes -- Don Segundo Sombra (1926)

Adolfo Bioy Casares -- The Invention of Morel (1940)

Ernesto Sabato -- El Tunel (1948)

Roberto Arlt -- Los Lanzallamas (1931)

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03-06-2016 , 02:06 PM

#17939

Gadarene

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could ask if it was first published between 1931 and 1950

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03-06-2016 , 02:08 PM

#17940

Gadarene

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it's pretty likely it's a work by one of those six guys iyam

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03-06-2016 , 02:19 PM

#17941

Gadarene

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Q: First published between 1932 and 1950?

Last edited by Gadarene; 03-06-2016 at 02:29 PM.

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03-06-2016 , 02:22 PM

#17942

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03-06-2016 , 02:32 PM

#17943

Gadarene

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okay, so (pending additional research) that leaves us with three likely book candidates imo:

Leopoldo Marechal -- Adam Buenosayres (1948)

Adolfo Bioy Casares -- The Invention of Morel (1940)

Ernesto Sabato -- El Tunel (1948)

lemme look at distinguishing features

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03-06-2016 , 02:35 PM

#17944

Gadarene

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btw, neither Marechal nor Sabato published any other novels within that timeframe

Casares published two other novels that could potentially fit the bill, La nueva tormenta o la vida de Juan Ruteno (1935) and Plan de evasión (1945), at least one of which was later translated into English, but neither of which have their own Wikipedia pages (for what that's worth)

we could simply ask whether the author is one of Casares, Marechal, and Sabato, so we know whether we need to expand our search

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03-06-2016 , 02:38 PM

#17945

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(Roberto Arlt also had a novel published in 1932 entitled El Amor Brujo, but it doesn't have its own page and I'm not sure it was ever translated into English)

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03-06-2016 , 02:40 PM

#17946

Gadarene

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The Invention of Morel does not take place in Argentina, while both Adam Buenosayres and The Tunnel do, fwiw

but i guess the same dichotomy exists w/r/t publishing dates, so we could always just narrow it down further that way instead

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03-06-2016 , 02:41 PM

#17947

Gadarene

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any thoughts on asking whether the author is one of Casares, Marechal, or Sabato?

i don't want to ask another bad question in my 20q inexperience

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03-06-2016 , 06:32 PM

#17948

Aicirt

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I haven't looked too closely at the list of author possibilities, but it does seem like one of those has a reasonable chance.

El Tunel seems like a good candidate.

I think a better question might be to narrow the range of year down even more, making sure to split that list. That way we split the list of your likely candidates while ensuring that we get some good information either way.

So maybe something like asking if it was published in 1941-1950.

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03-06-2016 , 06:36 PM

#17949

Aicirt

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But at some point in time we are going to have to get more aggressive. This might be the time actually. If it is a more obscure author then they probably don't have as many books that fit and then narrowing down the year doesn't help anyway.

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03-06-2016 , 06:42 PM

#17950

Aicirt

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If we are going to ask authors now, we might as well ask 4. If we get a yes, then we can figure out the exact author on question 19 with a final guess at a book. Thoughts?

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