You talking to me or Chips? Either way,

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You're looking better and better to me. Thanks for being active and helpful.

I'm fingering Maki, BLFG, and Well Named with a slight level of suspicion, but it's not as solid as I'd like. That's how you use FoS, right? In the most double entendre sounding way possible?

Everybody else is varying shades of good and neutral. Clamato, Triple T, and Darthe are goodish. Slight goodish on STS, probably, as well?

That's mostly just summing up what I've been saying, nothing much has changed for me with those reads and nothing is super solid right now. I think I need to hear more from the Silent Contingent since there's a lot of people who haven't started playing yet.

It's interesting that you think I'm in a tizz, I intentionally made the no lynch argument at the beginning of the day for this discussion to happen all it confirms is that you're both making an effort while others watch.

I've mentioned that I would not delve deeper into the discussion of it, if people feel that we can successfully find scum today, then I am willing to risk it - just be aware that some of us are all the best liars from each forum and site. Discussing a personal strategy reveals a lot about a players psych.

i dont see why anyone would call you a kobe stopper when there is no stopping kobe.



btw, I like to have random, fluffy, off topic discussions during the game. No that doesn't mean I wont help contribute, that just means I like talking to people and I'm rather social. Which is kind of ironic since I come from a wrestling forum. Oh well, just pointing that out before people jump on my back for it. Although it could just be me giving myself a meta as scum so I can get away with being random, fluffy, and off topic. But ya know, that isn't the case.

Valar is unequivocally good!

I was talking to you.
(1) How does Chips not explaining his vote make you look bad? I mean, it's not like you can force him to do stuff he does not want to do. How can anyone say someone looks bad based on what someone else did?
(2) At that time you were voting for me. Why would you look bad in case i got lynched and flipped scum? This has to be your thought process right? that i am scum -- as you are voting for me.

Yay! I have an OT buddy! Btw, we had a WWE-themed game about 9 months ago on WalterFootball. Very fun game.

If scum hunting always worked on D1, how would scum ever win?

I think I'm cautious as it's already been hinted at that as the deadline nears, voter chaos ensues and people flurry to vote off a player. This is a mafia strategy to stall as long as they can and then manipulate the chaos at the end of the day. I experience the same thing on my forum, and 90% of the time it results in a townie death as opinions are like *******s - everybody has one.

If we could avoid this, I'd feel a lot calmer getting a player near lynch and providing a role claim

Evening all.

Wall o text from me.

There is no tl;dr

Very tentative. FOS

So rather the town who can kill at night make things harder for ourselves by accidentally killing a villager.

Interesting views on a game of Mafia. I was going to FOS+1 but I see almost all the others share the same view. Strange.

Quite. See above and below examples.

I don't consider D1 a waste with a nolynch to be fair. People get to discuss things, and PR's get some read on who they think they want to deal with at night. Unless there is a major slip (and we've had many meta moments), I'd much rather NL D1 so that when D2 dawns we are at most 1 or 2 townies down, not 2 or 3. Chances of hitting scum D1 with a lynch on a day start is abysmal at best.

I'm going to enjoy this game. 3D chess at it's best.

Most enjoyable post. Keep them coming. Not in agreement with you on Maki though.

Well known tells often become self serving.

I think someone outclassses me by about 200:1 in the analyse it completely award. Another enjoyable post. I'm going to like this game.

I don't suggest you get into a discussion with STS about the merits of a NL. He has his own thread about it on MyBB.

Don't start buddying up to me already!

What if half the other players in this game are used to the exact opposite ?

How do your reads adapt to the fact that you play this game a certain way, and now ****, 20 other people who don't play your way, have come and invalidated your entire scum hunting 101 manual.

It is. You seem to think it's a scum read. Less meta would help.

I hope Ultimate Warrior was the seer.

And on the moons of the fifth planet of the Galactic Planets, I will peer into the depths of your soul and see your truest of forms. The warriors within us all will know it is your UNDOING.

Crabby you might be interested to hear about another wolf tell I like to call the "pointless MQ" wolf tell

although it's not really old school

I don't know anything about how Chips plays so I can only observe what he's doing now. He's like a wasp, floating around and stinging from time to time but without much oomph. I began to suspect my own read on you when I saw a guy like that was on you but didn't bother replying to your prompt to him for more justification. I initially thought you were wolfily pouncing on STS because he was an easy target due to his fumbling, and then I thought you were making good points about him, but after all this bickering between you and STS, and nobody backing either him or you up in a meaningful way, I get the feel you're both town and just tripping over each other. I am happy to assist you in looking elsewhere.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, time zones

Valar
Morghulis

Just a gut feel for now based on my other interactions

So basically you guys wait for results to do the work for you rather than actively scumhunting on day 1? that seems kind of...noobish and lame. No offense.

this seemed really pointless, but that last game was full of all kinds of boring and dull people so I guess this isn't exactly unwanted.

roles are more prevalent on my forum, but anyone that suggests sitting back and waiting for results usually gets yelled at because we don't really understand the point of playing if you don't even want to try to scumhunt.

some guy said this is a rather common thing around here, but is there really any point to just coming out and saying youre a villager? Although it would be rather fun if there was a lie detector in the game.

Agreed with this. That was one of the problems in the last game I found(at least involving the two people that came from my forum). Just because someone doesn't look pro-town and even anti-town doesn't necessarily mean they're scum. Some people are just really bad at looking town and sometimes people just do really dumb or anti-town things because they think it is beneficial to themselves. idk, ive seen a lot of garbage in my day.

No one is saying lynch someone because you have to, they're saying to lynch the scummiest person so you can have a flip of alignment and wagon to judge for the following day. Surely you can see the benefits of being able to look back on a wagon after a flip and be able to judge how people went about joining the lynch or not joining the lynch. I personally find it one of the best ways to catch scum.

Going into next day with more town and less ideas of what to do won't make day 2 and different than day 1. Eventually you have to stop making wagons and pushing on people, so you might as well start doing it early rather than waiting for literally no apparent reason.


This is called fence sitting on my forum. You say something, but at the same type say that you're unsure and kind of back out while stepping in so if one of your suspects does flip town you can always say that you weren't COMPLETELY SURE about them.


from my experience it is usually done by scum and since I can only really go off my experience...


tommydanger

I read WWE as WWF, so never mind. That probably never happened.

I could post 40 filler posts and end up looking scummy, or I could MQ.

Read, don't read, your game.

Mmm, I dig what you're saying.

A lot of town reads on yamato which are not altogether unfair as he is playing seemingly blunt but making him guaranteed town..?

Giving town reads is all good but it's very easy for wolves to do the same and blend that way. Right now a town read on somebody who isn't under suspicion isn't even necessary. It feels almost like buddying because he's stern. Correctly identifying townies doesn't buy anyone town-cred anyway.

I honestly don't remember. I just remember being in a mason with one of the worst players who managed to get himself modkilled 3 hours into the game. Town still won though.

I think it's more a product of the different format. We start with a night phase rather than a day phase, and it usually takes one lynch to kill a town, but multiple lynches to kill a mafia.

oh, you obviously don't always catch scum, but you always go into day 2 with something to judge off of.

Say we sit here and end with a no lynch and there's only one kill at night done to a guy that wasn't all that active and involved in the game. We would essentially start day 2 the same way as we would a regular day 1 as we wouldn't have anything to go off of(assuming there was no info catching scum).


we don't really do that on our forum, the chaos lynch stuff, although I have seen them done at the end of day at some points during the game and it usually isn't for the best.

Usually if the day is about to end and scum is getting lynched, they probably won't want to join the wagon as they can just wait until the day ends and have their teammate around another day phase at worst or have the vig use a shot on him during night. However, if there is a town player being lynched, the wagon usually goes a lot quicker as scum have no reason to sit back and so a bunch of people vote the player and he gets lynched off.

Hah, aren't you basically just referring to me with the bolded after singling out Hoya and WN?

I don't know if I'm being "cautious" in terms of play style, def lurking a bit and just skimming when I can to get a feel for everyone's posting style. I'm also multi-tabling and there's plenty of time to let things simmer in this game with 2 game days happening in the next 4 real days.

I'm keeping some notes and making some of my own observations, but ya, the giant MQ's def aren't going to come from me very often at this stage of the game.

I call the thing you're referring to Overly Cautious Fray Avoidance, but I don't see how that's what I was doing.

I gave my reads, but they are early reads and based on less than half the game being here right now. I don't worry that somebody I said was suspicious will flip good or evil, my votes speak for who I think are the most suspicious players. Hence why I like voting records.

But nobody is "completely sure" of things on Day 1, even when I pretend to be for fun. So yes, I get your point, but in this case I was backing up my reads from earlier in the day and saying they haven't changed much.

Despite being incorrect in this current application of the theory, that is a wolfhunting post and I like it.

I am still waiting for STS to contribute to something that is not game mechanics. We are all from different forums. We could probably waste the whole game talking about how things are done and what kinda setups there are on different forums. Now he has planted a vote on a guy i think is likely to be town, wwith no justification other than "gut".

It's nearly half past D1 and all you got is a gut scum read on someone. Does that sound like trying to figure out the game?

What's the harm in it? Evil can be snuggle buddies with good, sure.

But good coming together and forming bonds of trust is just as important as finding evils. By mid game, if you end up with a few good players who are really jiving with each other, you become a pretty powerful force against evil. You narrow down the suspicion list and you have the ability to block vote against potential mislynches.

I don't see how saying our good-reads is not beneficial, overall. This looks like a vague attempt to prevent yamato from self-clearing.