Chris --

Nice to meet you. What can you tell me about your villa and wolf games and how they differ?

pvn --

I understand 100% on posting less at the beginning -- I used to do that too, but it got annoying having everyone read me as wolfy from being semi-UTR for the first two days. I find it's easier for me to keep up with the thread if I'm active and posting, and when I first started doing it it was a pretty massive villa tell for me, although it probably shouldn't be anymore (at this point, I'd like to think I'd be capable of it as a wolf). To each their own though.

Which game was that that you wolfed in?

I love your work in Politics, btw

Alright I'm going to do a little work, I'll be semi-following the thread but probably won't post much for a few hours, unless the urge to procrastinate becomes too strong

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Wow 36 posts in 10 days is definitely UTR

There's a pretty pervasive misunderstanding about how that works. If wolves want to kill me early, they kill me early. If I don't die on n1 or n2 (and in a 13er, it would be only n1) then I'm not going to die until the seers and their peeks are dealt with.

Sometimes they kill me early, sometimes they don't. I don't feel like discussing it further at this juncture because such a discussion might help the wolves make a better decision on who to kill, while it would be fairly useless for villagers since they won't trust any of my commentary on this subject until I'm dead, at which point it is useless.

Actually looks like it was less than that, some of those posts were in post game and looks like you got got earlier than that. If you're villa, I hope you post more in this game!

Understood, thanks.

well I subbed in, and then I outed myself within like two days.

I wouldn't call myself old school POG by any means. I started playing here in 2010 (late summer-ish) and played probably 2-4 games a month for a year, so I've got a fair bit of experience. But far from an old schooler.

I consider myself a better wolf than villager, just because I can often fake the funk pretty well and get people to toneclear me. Where I have trouble as a wolf is maintaining the integrity of my "reads" as the game goes on. In the beginning, I can make honest looking reads lists without too much trouble, but I fail at village manipulation in the late game. I often end up having to go back on something I said earlier that I'd been holding true for a while, and I have trouble making it look good.

My villager game is the opposite in a lot of ways. I have a really really weak early game. Soul reads are not my strong suit, but dammit I'm not going to stop trying. The longer a game goes on, the better my reads become and the better a job I can do of clearing myself. And when I'm not being a lazy bum and I'm actually putting work in, I usually do clear myself one way or another. I tend to get peeked a lot because I live a long time in both roles (when I'm not mislynched early), so that helps.

What about you? Could you give me a similar summary of your experience and wolf/villa games?

As for Toga, I could link a boatload of games to showcase how tricky he can be as a wolf. I consider him a pretty strong player. It's tough to eliminate anything from his wolf range, from good tone to bussing his entire team.

Hi Fi --

I played a fair bit last fall and then took a break because I was pretty busy with work/school/family in November/December. I came back and have played four or five long games and a few turbos in the last three or four weeks.

Early on all of my games were as a villager, and I played pretty much as I described to pvn: UTR through the first few days because I had no idea what was going on, then gradually posting more and giving half decent reads and whatnot. Actually, my first game was True Blood and I made the wrong decision in F3 -- great start to my WW career I wolfed a few times during that time period, once in a 13er with Telecontar where I got nk'd on d2 for being too UTR, and once in the Politics game which ended up being a wolf win where I think I played pretty well, and I felt I was a half decent wolf (although not very well versed in advanced wolfing, but then I didn't need to be).

When I came back to POG I was randed wolf in my first game, and was really out of practice and not confident at all. I stayed way UTR since I was a wolf power role and managed to make it through 3 days before spewing myself wolf and getting CFD'd on d4. I'd like to think I'd do better as a wolf if I got another chance, but other than a recent turbo I've been villa every time. My villa game has evolved a little bit (also as I described to pvn): now that I have more experience, I tend to interact a fair bit more on d1-d2 and I'm capable of making pretty decent reads every now and again. I think I clear myself pretty well early on in the game, and I try to contribute and work hard most games, clearing villagers and finding wolves. I don't have a ton of meta with a lot of players in this game, though, but I'm looking forward to the chance of playing with some new people.

Does that help?

sup bros?

found a wolf already :P

Yes. Yes it does.

And greetings, Mr. Named.

soah gonna soah

I feel like tappakone's post makes sense, it's sort of one of those "on one hand/on the other hand" kinds of remarks, it's just condensed. On the one hand I think I can read anarchist based on post count, on the other hand I really doubt it's actually that simple even if it seems to have worked in the past

Seems about right (also aao would totally endorse that)

so well named, can we string up HiFi yet?

Oh you must be dreaming

What do you think is wolfy about hifi?

I could guess at a couple tone things but you may have something completely different in mind. I think my current answer is no, but I haven't really even read the entire thread yet

I must respectfully decline to elaborate at this point.

well named --

Good to see you -- I think this is the first time we have played together since our F3 experience (Apartments maybe?). I don't believe I have ever played in a game where you wolfed, although I have heard through the grapevine that you're good. Do you think that you're a good wolf, and what do you (and others) think makes you so good?

I feel like toga asking soah to claim wolf is something that a villager who knows about soah's tendency to do that is way more likely to do then a wolf is. I guess this is meta-y enough that I shouldn't actually give it that much credit (kind of like VMF calling me wolfy last game) but it feels right. At the very least I know when I'm a wolf and soah is a villager soah is kind of a polarizing force. It's like you either want to just kill him right away or find some way to discredit him or call him wolfy right away. He's scary and you don't really want to just talk to him or engage on that level. It also seems like wolf-toga would be less likely to tell wolf-soah to claim wolf so either way it's either villagery or a calculated level, and I tend to default to assuming things are not levels.

Toga's other posts are villagery also

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This must be based on meta since I don't see anything wolfy from her so far.

and by heard through the grapevine you mean that every single game you've played where I've been in it someone has made sure to mention by d2 that I should never ever ever be cleared right? :P

I haven't been a wolf in so long I'm not sure I'm actually a good wolf anymore but I was mostly just good at not getting lynched

Do you think you've been acting like a wolf so far Soah? I don't, but I'm not confident I can read you.

The crazy thing is that it can't possibly be since for all intents and purposes I have like no meta with soah.