Except that it does.
I be derping

I say sorry for my game in advance.
Sick kids, stressed at work...

I have mixed up so much stuff alrdy

wasnt rly the start i wanted for my first ww game in here..

Hoya sucks, I honestly don't know why people automatically assume he is a
Strong player instead of judging him based on his play.

This is a good point by chrja. Hoya had like 2
Posts yesterday, I don't know how anyone could have a substantive read.

Ok I'm caught up.


Chrja,

I don't want Hoya leading anything, he's aidsonastick.

There are enough people pushing smurf, we need competing wagons though.

Toganim started off decent but faded
Pretty quickly and did hardly any pushing /
Substantive interactions towards
Eod yesterday and was lurking.

Now
He is admitting to even more disinterest.


He needs to be a wagon, we can't afford to carry dead weight.

noted...

Right now I have:

confirmedtroll
CPHoya

Toganim

Smurf

Re-read of Toganim incoming.
Btw, I kind of expected Toganim to at least react to my Smurf MQ, for the obvious reasons

I want hoya leading.

Regarding toga.

He is always lurking, can't put much into that.

But i do want him to step up his game, he is slacking right now.

Regarding you

I feel like you are playing safe, mostly commenting on other peoples reads and making the "easy" observations like why annie felt tilted.

I want you more engaged in the game, right now i got a slighted wolf lean on you, nothing big just not feeling your pressent itt.

hardcore, I wish you could interact with more people ITT.
Is there a time zone conflict or something?

Can you give me your thoughts on each of the danes. I've the feeling (well more than that) you've only interacted with people from 2+2. a small read list or something.

UD, I like what you are doing so far. (posts starting from #318)

VP's come back at EOD.

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which conclusions did you make between this post

and this post. In particular, which posts convinced you of this?

Finds wolfy a post I do not find villagery.

[QUOTE=Toganim;36711661][QUOTE=UncleDynamite;36711507]
I do not think that Hardcore's post is villagery, so I find Hoya suspicious for giving him an early village lean for it.
Or Hoya might just have fallen for it, as I said above.
That's what I mean by the w/w comment.

In fact,

There's a big page 1 exchange between me and Toganim. He will later give me a wolf lean for it that he will not try to pursue that much later.
Perhaps he didn't feel strongly about my case.
After all, unlike Smurf, he never voted for me.

Toganim is the one who provides the biggest amount of reads about the other Danes, which is only logical, but should still be praised.
It should, however, be noted that none of the Danes was under serious pressure yesterday.
I'd be really glad if Toganim commented on my Smurf MQ.

He confirms his wolf lean on me. It's interesting that he never directly accused me of being wolfy in our dialogue (I do not think that saying "This is wierd- like wolfy wierd or brainfart villagery wierd. not sure wich yet.") counts. Even if it does, he did not explain neither to me nor to anyone else why he parked his stance on "wolfy" and not "brainfart villagery".

He is not forced to do anything, but explaining his reads is villagery, whilst failure to do so is secretive and something wolves other do, because they do not want to be held accountable for what they write.



More on this later. He does not directly reacts to my case, this is probably a response to HardcoreUFO.

OK. Sorry.


This is villagery, we wagon and vote people not only because we think they might be wolves, but also to interact with them and force them to village, spill the beans, and give us info.
Do you guys remember the Smurf post when he says

I reinstate again that the Smurf post above is really wolfy.

He finally explains why he is not particularly fond of the TL's wagon.
This is again better than Smurf, but I still do not like it.
Me and HardcoreUFO have clearly repeated our cases multiple times.

And I'll do it again, albeit briefly and without the timing tells.
-When TL arrived the second time, she could have read my first response to her, but she did not.
-She completely twisted my words, as clearly explained by UFO.
I write: "If you find me suspicious, you should vote me".
She answers: "Telling 'It's ok to vote me' " is a wolf tell.
But I never wrote anything of the like!
- She was not wolfhunting, althrough I actually think this was not even the most damning piece of evidence.

This is villagery, and also the first post when Toganim tries to manhandle someone into giving info.
I wish he did that more often and did not have the apatethic attitude he has shown too often.

The underscored is role neutral, but I just wanted to say that I hate post like this.
You can obviously not give a toss, but I had to write it.

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Conclusion.

I do not like the way he reacted to TL's wagon, but he looks like a second wagon at best. He's certainly much more villagery than Smurf.
I have not read WALLE yet, but will do so in the next hours.

confirmedtroll

Since you are re-reading VillaPredator, could you give me an opinion about hist post #113?

I distinctly remember that it smelled funny

I dont think the post in itself (i.e., without any context) does.

However there is something interesting within the interactions of a subset of the danes, and I'm glad you're pointing it out as well.

Take {Smurf,VP,Toga} (might wanna add WallE) and map whats going on between them as a progression, also a bit w.r.t. to Timelady---->
there is something unnatural that I cant point out right now.

I think your digging work is useful, so I'm glad you're pursuing on WallE next.

Ill add that I think a lot of name-bolding from yesterday did not seem sincere.

I love how Mac wants mé to step up when he is doing less Then mé this game

I am probably biased regarding the new danes because i automaticly give Them villacredit in onder to weight out the fact that everyone Sounds wolfy in a new language. In order to uphold my seercover ill not be voting smurf today.
Regarding TL, confusions happen all the time so no Big deal. U think she would dó it ón purpose as a wolf? But w/e- i didnt have someone better anyway

Toga, who do you have on your villa list right now?

Same as yesterday with binkels removed

Votes as of post 368
Night in 06:01
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	Toganim	XXXsmurfXXX (14)
1	XXXsmurfXXX	UncleDynamite (13)
9	not voting	chrja (13), confirmedtroll (8), Anarchist (1), CPHoya (2), hardcoreUFO (4), McAvoy (4), Toganim (8), WALLE (0), VillaPredator (0)

i don't like (with varying degrees) the following sentences in your post.

In particular for sentence 1: it's either a "hey look there is X who I judge is not doing enough, so it's justified if I do less" (lazy villager) or a wolfy sentence to soft push Mac.

So there we have again the duality for you between a lazy+unclear villager or a wolf.

Why not stepping up and trying to solve the game? You are obviously posting and reading, but you are refusing to do anything else.

Its problem

Ok, the part of his post I underscored smells funny indeed.
It must however be said that an experienced wolf would never write something like that.

Lots of fluff. The "I think all the Danes are villagery except for chrja when he posts late" is not really that useful.
That being said, villa leans (especially early villa leans) are harder to explain than wolf leans.

As I said, i retroactively agree with Smurf here. However, look at his tone.
Remember when he voted me? His reads with me were pretty meek.
I might be paranoid, but I think Smurf might have smelled an easy mislynch?

confirmedtroll,

this is the #113 post I was speaking about. Now that you see the context, doesn't it smell funny to you? That post of WALLE was not villagery at all (I am referring to the undesrcored part). I have no other reads on VP, he's yours.



I am mostly unable to comment the content.
I don't get the VP lean. I hope he did not put it because VP defended him.
His response to chrja smells of awkward newbie.
Toganim, how many games has WALLE played on Danish sites?
I also do not like his reason for clearing Toganim, since he's an experienced player and anyone decent could post it as a wolf.
However, whilst bad, I am still struggling to call it wolfy.

The "too wolfy to be a wolf" tell has been disprobed on multiple occasions.

The vote on chrja is pretty hard to comment, given that we do not know their meta (this is when Toganim should step in!) but frankly I have seen "This is not how I remember him", etc. reasons for voting so many times I have lost count.


Oh, this is a good question btw. The UTR's are all USA.
I do not get why they have even bothered to sign to this game if they were going to sleep through most of it.
McAvoy did a blitz appearnce yesterday and then disappeared.
I hope that he will eventually step in or I'll start voting him if we run out of suspects. Anarchist started posting a bit at EOD but I hope he steps it up, too.

This is not good per se, but even worse if he is a wolf?
I want to give him derp village points, but again, we have to remember that the "Too wolfy not to be a wolf" rule fails too often.
The only mitigating factor is that TL is the runaway wagon. And chinese fire drillers would have been only outing themselves had they attempted anything.

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Conclusion: I don't even know what to say.
This is either awkard villager or bad wolf.
If he has a lot of games on Danish forums, I'd lean towards wolfy.

I'd color him orange for now and welcome any help on this.

I say walles posts are more construckted than usual.
i call wolf

Smurf,

do you have anything to say wrt my case on you.
I do not consider you a 100% lock but if you don't start defending yourself we are going to lynch you

You showed a little bit more WIM yesterday?

when they wake up, i want the US/Brazil players to give their feeling regarding Smurf/Toganim's wagons