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11-08-2011 , 10:59 AM

#1226

Silman

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Originally Posted by vyk07

Any ******* can sit here and fake villagery content by making contrived reads and forcing villagery interaction

And then other *******s can come in and just blindly follow that lead, giving the wolves even more flexibility in terms of following that predetermined villager template

It's all BS

It's inaccurate

It's out of date

You br0s will sit here, stubbornly misuse it and lynch villagers until like f*cking d5

It's just pure bad methodology

Have you *tried* giving detailed, reasoned reads and interacting with strong villagers as a wolf?
It's *REALLY* damn hard to do it convincingly.
Like I can, kinda, for a while, and I consider myself a very very strong wolf. Even with me some players can spot the difference between actually making reads and pretending to.

What do you think the correct wolf-hunting methodology is?

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11-08-2011 , 10:59 AM

#1227

vyk07

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Originally Posted by Silman

Thinking I'm a wolf does not mean there is any value to not answering my questions. If anything you should want to answer my questions *more* so that you can show that I'm wrong. So far all you are doing is raging and saying you have villagery tone. Saying "I can has" a lot =/= villagery tone. Complete lack of wolfhunting =/= villagery tone.

All I'm asking is that you give opinions on what's happening in the game. Give some reads, some thoughts (preferably original ones)
That's not being a "huge game nit"
that's playing werewolf.

can you please post in paragraphs

these long posts of yours are like unreadable

thoughts and reads under pressure are BULLSH*T

this is so wrong

as a cornered wolf you can just pull crap out of your ass to appease the ww nits to their hearts content

I refuse to force my reads, b/c your own suck

I'm not doing it

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11-08-2011 , 11:01 AM

#1228

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

i haven't caught up on thread, i am going to be doing some phone posting today

i had read a few players calling me wolfy this morning and i am going to respond

1. i said VM was a bad wagon, but i said i was voting him over Bremen and Anarchist

2. i didnt open the thread until like 5:30 yesterday, and by the time i realized i didnt like the wagons (like 6:15) i really couldnt do much to change it unless i decided to fake peek a wolf - at that point going with a bad wagon is better than a chaotic cfd, also as much as i like cfds my track record with them is kind of terrible

3. i did call donk wolfy, i pretty much always call donk wolfy, but do you think i kill the player i call wolfy as a wolf?

also i wouldnt shoot donk as a villager there either, just to be clear

final note - 2 villa power roles dying makes me suspect woofs might have got a good n0 peek as the odds of them downing 2 power roles like that seems pretty low to me, even with good wolves

I kinda feel like all of our wagons last night were poor.
That is somewhat an effect of having a very short day.

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11-08-2011 , 11:02 AM

#1229

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Originally Posted by Silman

For a start, not wagoning super clear villagers on tone and giving the suspicious wolfy players outs by giving them an opportunity to fake villageryness by accomodating the crappy requests to follow a village template and pull crap out of their ass when it comes to reads

There's no f*cking adjustments

It's the same people doing it in both roles game in and game out

Where the hell is the individual progression?

Do players just stop playing altogether when they finally "master" this adjustable concept?

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11-08-2011 , 11:04 AM

#1230

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Originally Posted by vyk07

Who are the suspicious wolfy players?

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11-08-2011 , 11:08 AM

#1231

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Originally Posted by Silman

Who are the suspicious wolfy players?

derwipok for starters

necro as a hunch

I could pull out a few more, but I have infinitely more prowess at clearing villagers than I do at hunting wolves

I try to play to that strength

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11-08-2011 , 11:08 AM

#1232

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Originally Posted by TheNothing

after re-reading Bremen, i'm thinking it's strange.

first 2 posts are very weird. he also says something is very interesting & says he's going to re-read, doesn't.

hhmm

can we get an updated vote count? i'm thinking i don't want to vote VM now.

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Originally Posted by TheNothing

okay, after re-reading Derwi's posts, i still get a villa feel from him. was hoping i could find something to quote but nothing stands out. it's just a feel. he came to the defense of you (you being somewhat newish & him not wanting to lynch a new player early in the game), came to my defense (accused of seer hunting, didn't know what it meant) and has given a few other helpful reads, in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by TheNothing

i was quoting these as you made this post.

look, i don't know how to react here. i've not been falsely accused of being a wolf as of yet. how am i to contribute more? i've given reads (which need to be updated), i've answered questions. how can i contribute more to YOUR game, sir?

here are all of VM's posts today. I'm not sure if they are wolfy, really. My vote is on him now because I want to live another day. If another wagon arises, i will switch.

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Originally Posted by TheNothing

no biggie

okay, i will - i just saw the vote count & saw he was behind me. self-preservation is motivation enough to change my vote. i am reading aorn.

seems every game i've played, palo is mislynched early because of non-posting

for myself, i apologize. there was much talk of rainbows and i wanted to play. i was signaling no one and nothing.

Thenothing was wolfy early in the day, but these posts seem very villagery and are the reason for me 180ing (I believe JimH came to a similar conclusion?)
Moni: What do you think of these posts? And Vyk if you like.
Also, do you agree with my initial impression (read the very beginning of the day, first few pages etc)

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11-08-2011 , 11:09 AM

#1233

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^^^ the above long post about adjustments is not necessarily in context to this specific game, just ww in general btw

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11-08-2011 , 11:10 AM

#1234

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Originally Posted by vyk07

derwipok for starters

necro as a hunch

I could pull out a few more, but I have infinitely more prowess at clearing villagers than I do at hunting wolves

I try to play to that strength

FCBLComish
Anarchist
Loretta8
TheNothing
Duckburg
Bremen
Palo
Tao1

For how many of these do you have a reasonably confident villa-lean?

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11-08-2011 , 11:12 AM

#1235

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Originally Posted by Silman

I assume when you say "And vyk if you like" you mean what I think of TheNothing, not what Moni also thinks of me right?

If so, I'm in no general rush to wagon TheNothing b/c I don't believe she has ever wolfed before and is also experiencing some RL issues atm. I figure that she would slip up and expose herself eventually if she was a wolf in due time

Since I have no basis for comparison as far as her wolf game goes, I tend to try to interact with her as much as possible to try to gage the likelihood of her being a villager, which isn't necessarily that high at this point in the game

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11-08-2011 , 11:14 AM

#1236

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Originally Posted by Silman

FCBLComish
Anarchist
Loretta8
TheNothing
Duckburg
Bremen
Palo
Tao1

For how many of these do you have a reasonably confident villa-lean?

Not many at all tbh

Def a weird group collectively

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11-08-2011 , 11:15 AM

#1237

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God forbid someone doesn't post reads on d1

Herp, derp, let me do some quick analysis:

quote1

fluff

quote 2

fluff

quote 3

TMI

quote 4

wolf claim

EZ GAME rite?

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11-08-2011 , 11:22 AM

#1238

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all of the wisski posts

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Originally Posted by wisski

Observation through first ~200 posts.

i really hate drop in, single line <5 word posts followed by 20+ minutes of silence... and I tend to ignore their contents, it just seems like a wolfy thing to do imo

this post tilts me, for no other reason than I have to hilight it to read it.

he pretty much said "like the latest games" SO i would guess it's not role related... seems like a phone poster would have similar troubles depending on phone/app etc.

is this a shroop? because I tend to put a wolf lean on CQ because i had a correct read on him the first game, but didn't stick to my guns, and now want to lynch him out of spite.

she's had quite a few posts, as many as your main read Tao, and yet you protect her? She says things, but doesn't try to interact, most of her posts in any games I've played are her just making observation about topics, instead of trying to interact and judge people.

unsure if this is softpushing thenothing or anarchist

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Originally Posted by wisski

wisski read's list
Anarchist- has a way of opening strange
Bremen - none
crackedquads - none
derwipok - no posts?
DonkDonkDonkDonk - no posts?
Duckburg - dropped in to say he'll be godly, so i put him slight wolfy
FCBLComish - none
Gadarene - slight villa
J.D. - none
JimHalpert - no posts?
kowboys4 - slight villa cause he didn't vote himself first post

KruZe - slight wolfy
loretta8 - none
monikrazy - no posts?
necro - slight villa
Noah - none
Old Man Willow slight wolfy for hard defending your wierd wording/thought process
Palo - none
Silman - slight villa
Swiitch - no posts?
Tao1 - slight villa
TheNothing - none
VarianceMinefield - slight villa
vyk07 - none
wisski - villa

so lets see where a

Kruze

vote gets me

random kruze thing is weird, but dont know if its points either way
we have a previous wolf game from wisski for comparison?

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Originally Posted by wisski

well your range is very un-balanced imo

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Originally Posted by wisski

wolfy list cause you're on the wrong side of my read bro? I don't like the way you continued to push gadarene for the answer to an obscenely worded question, and i'm not going to continue the discussion because it the answer doesn't get us closer to finding the bad guys.

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Originally Posted by wisski

holy hell i read that question wrong, i thought he meant he just wouldn't be able to talk much or do multi-quotes...

so he can't say or quote wolve, wolf, villager? hmmm...

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Originally Posted by wisski

it's day 1, and i put list out there to discuss and get stronger read on people, sorry i seemed to have hit a nerve with you being wolfy... and i supposed to have the game solved already? Once i get a post from everyone on the list i'll solve it mkay?

responding to omw, dont really know

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Originally Posted by wisski

whether to extend D1

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Originally Posted by wisski

oh i didn't make it personal, but i will certainly do so if you ask me "U mad if you get mislynched as a wolf"

also, the only thing I can find about a character role that would be word restricted.

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Originally Posted by wisski

confirmed that wagon took off a little too easily, although the first wagon on d1 usually is a villager, and people just jump on board to see where it leads.

as for the nothing seer hunting, she was just stating the fact that one line reads don't make sense, and kowboys didn't word his in the usual format of

"if I'm a seer my n0 randomed peek was tao1 villager"

seems reasonable for someone who doesn't have many games under their belt.

Dont really think the fake peek says anything about me.

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Originally Posted by wisski

before i leave work, i'm gonna switch to Varianceminefield, came into thread making a list, didn't add much support tried push weak reads, then left and hasn't been seen since. and also voting Anarchist, while not a horrible vote is really easy to do, no matter what role anarchist has.

softpush anarchist

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Originally Posted by wisski

These two posts were 19 minutes apart, and that appeared a "I need to get a vote and leave the thread" type of play... and he just took the easiest D1 vote there was available.

Overall, not much, but perhaps you guys see more.

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11-08-2011 , 11:30 AM

#1239

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imo kinda spews anarchist woof (but only a little)
spews OMW villa quite a bit

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11-08-2011 , 11:31 AM

#1240

vyk07

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good work tao

I think your pretty clear from that interaction

duck, anarchist, and kruze look good too

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11-08-2011 , 11:32 AM

#1241

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Originally Posted by Silman

imo kinda spews anarchist woof (but only a little)
spews OMW villa quite a bit

hold on, is wisski a newer player capable?

I would hold newer players a lot less likely on the ability counter spew like a jim halpert type of player would, especially when in no danger on d1

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11-08-2011 , 11:35 AM

#1242

Silman

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Originally Posted by vyk07

hold on, is wisski a newer player capable?

I would hold newer players a lot less likely on the ability counter spew like a jim halpert type of player would, especially when in no danger on d1

Indeed.
what is your interpretation of the spew?

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11-08-2011 , 11:35 AM

#1243

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Basically, should we be taking wisskis spew on a basic level? I'm pretty sure that it would def be applicable to do so in the aforementioned circumstances

assuming basic wolf d1 tendencies

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11-08-2011 , 11:36 AM

#1244

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Originally Posted by Silman

Indeed.
what is your interpretation of the spew?

Basic level 1 spew which has no general incentive to be deceiving

I think its great info

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11-08-2011 , 11:36 AM

#1245

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Originally Posted by vyk07

Basically, should we be taking wisskis spew on a basic level? I'm pretty sure that it would def be applicable to do so in the aforementioned circumstances

assuming basic wolf d1 tendencies

I think so, yes.

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11-08-2011 , 11:37 AM

#1246

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morning br0s

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11-08-2011 , 11:37 AM

#1247

vyk07

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Indeed

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11-08-2011 , 11:39 AM

#1248

Silman

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

morning br0s

yay

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11-08-2011 , 11:39 AM

#1249

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

morning br0s

caught up yet?

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11-08-2011 , 11:40 AM

#1250

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So omw, tao, duck, kruze, anarchist (first to last?)villa points from wisski spew?

What about his reference to CQ?

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