basically uaw is normally an UTR player so he comes off as wolfy. IMO he usually has pretty good observations but he doesn't really get listened to that much cuz of his image. I am used to him coming in and just making a lot of sense. This game he came in and made a one word vote post on someone that I considered a mislynchable villager (the one word vote post is already out of character AFAIK). The first post that has more than one line is commenting on soah's self-vote, which I ignored myself, and I expected UAW to ignore as villa as well. His next post he gives me a slight villa lean which I thought might've been TMI, as I had very little content to that point and he is usually slower to give a read on me.

idk if it's cuz he was a PR or if it was just variance, but this game everything he did seemed wrong to me

haha

I unfortunately have been apologizing a lot in post-game lately

it is expected of wolves to try and mislynch ppl, no harm no foul as mcavoy would say

xxaces bc he came in and said he had 20 minutes to read. He read 2 pages and said "I think this guy is a wolf bc of X" and that's it. I find that villagery. (he was saying I think andy is a wolf for pretending to not know the # of wolves IIRC)

OTI's entrance consisted of 3 straight observations that I had thought myself when reading the same part of the thread.

bsb was cuz of a couple posts where I soul-read him incorrectly, including where he says that he can't remember how to wolf-hunt. I thought as a villa he would actually feel this way with a bunch of tough wolves in the lineup and having not played for a while. It just felt like a mislynch to me bc I don't think bsb was that wolfy, and usually wolves will prevent a teammate from dying if he's not wolfy.

this was in response to toga not sun

I just made a long case on toga in the previous page

toga has to be a wolf to still be talking about this when there's so much more info on me now

no?

no



going to read derwi now

so far I've been right about GTP

wrong about bsb and uaw

Just went and read the entire thread. This is the master list of winning!!!!

I'll be around for the next 30 minutes if you have any questions. Otherwise I might not be able to post again till tomorrow.

OnThInIcE911
Andynan

FCBLComish
McAvoy
metsandfinsfan
DiggertheDog

J.D.
xxaceshigh77xx
XXsooted
derwipok

well named
soah
kwami42
Toganim

wahoopride

Edit: Also I don't think I have ever seen the letters "OTI" typed sooo many times. Ridiculous amount of time spent on my balls.

Let's look at my thinking on toga's D2 EOD.

on d1, Toga had said afkness is a wolf tell for OTI and he voted OTI. At the start of the day on D2, he said he still likes OTI votes. OTI doesn't post ALL DAY. He makes his first post at 7:30, 30 minutes before EOD:

So if afkness is a wolf tell for OTI, enough to make toga vote OTI on d1, toga should surely be pushing OTI hard at this point??? I mean popping in 30 minutes before EOD, isn't that EXACTLY the tell that toga is purportedly using to call OTI a wolf???

Instead look at toga's posts:

5 minutes after OTI's entrance


15 min. after

NO pushing of OTI
NO questioning of OTI or interaction of OTI of any kind

I really like this because it mirrors my own thoughts except I hadn't really been able to put it into words

Votes as of post 2987
night in 7:28
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	wahoopride	DiggertheDog, kwami42
2	xxaceshigh77xx	Andynan, FCBLComish
1	Andynan	McAvoy
1	Toganim	XXsooted
9	not voting	derwipok, J.D., metsandfinsfan, OnThInIcE911, soah, Toganim, wahoopride, well named, xxaceshigh77xx

XXS still thinking like me.

I like it.

Might have to move you up my list.

I think JD as a villager could make these posts. "afraid of getting owned by soah" syndrome

Daylight savings time today.

Why does it seem like no one is awake?

Derwi reread d1
I think this is a just lean at the time and I understand why he has it

It doesnt seem like an actual shroop but it's villagery that he picks up on it at least

I don't like the follow-up. Either he's agreeing that it's not a shroop, or he should pursue it more

Like the andy read, i think the read can be justified and is not uncalled for

This is really wierd. First of all he hasn't mentioned kwami before so the "mislynch" isnt justified by a villaread on him previously. Secondly he doesn't say that kwami is villagery or anything like that- just saying he's a mislynch in the making. I think it's too easy to call it TMI but it's a wierd post at least

Wierd as well. Placeholders are imo pointless

Atak quoting a derwi post. Not quite sure what to think of it- didnt do a reread of atak yet so I don't know if he's done this on villagers/wolves so far. I'm inclined to give a small villalean for derwi since a lazy atak is more likely to do this on a villager then on a wolf imo.


This post is 13 min prior to EOD with cadaz (5) and uaw (4) while the rest only has 1 vote. Highly villagery post (and still in line with his mindset of his previous reads imo), but still fakeable at some point

Also (i didnt quote this but its posts 601 and 606) he's also flip-flopping on uaw/cadaz, which I think is highly villagery since he'd probably try to NOT get too involved in the upcomming mislynch as a wolf.


Assuming that the kwami mislynch should be taken as a villa-read that justifies kwami on the list. Andy and sun was mentioned earlier, but not sure why digger show up though.

Conclusion on d1:

I think he's making some wierd posts but seriously, who doesnt..
He's truthfully to his reads, and I believe he's very much able to have the reads and theese are not fabricated.

Starting on d2

Still no peek reveal yet gives me

Soah, I havent offered a read on you because of my paranoia of being owned. If I was forced to, I would give you a villager lean because you do seem to be working things out.

I just dont trust myself enough to fully trust you.

toga calling kwami a mislynch in the making is a village read, it's just not one that's explained.

and by toga I mean derwi

Also toga do you have any comment on xxsooted's point about the way you pushed OTI?

ty wn

i saw the post but doing other stuff atm. i think ("think" = from what I remember) that I had been trying to push oti most of the day without ppl really minding me. I completely disagreed with the reasoning that ppl shouldnt be pushed just cuz they were afk and I had stated that itt. My post to mets was taunting like "if oti not being around is only reason to not vote him, you can vote him now cuz he did post" kind of post.. i was pretty sure mets didnt really want to vote him anyway, so i figured i could try to push xxs instead or at least make him consider it. I had to go to bed cuz I was tired but wanted to check from phone in case of a claim or something. i also wanted to see the reveal

The fact that you were phone posting mitigates the validity of sooted's idea a little, I think

I noticed that just now when I was re-reading through that section

What bothers me a little about you though is that there is a seeming lack of enthusiasm around giving reads from you. Do you feel like your reads are good? Do you think OTI is a wolf? I don't recall right now what you told andy your strongest controversial read was, did you do that?

Derwi d2

I hate ppl saying stuff like that. Again if harsh could be determined as tmi since he would know that mcavoy was a mislynch.

Underlined reads are reads that are consistent with his previous posts. None of his reads are in conflict with previous reads, so his train of thought is still unbroken.
I really feel derwi putting his neck out with mets = wolf is villagery since he must know that it will get him a huge amount of attention. Only problem with it is that he seems to know it by saing "mets will now" which diminishes the villaread a bit.


Massively villagery post imo. I feel his "I'm not a huge nameplayer and ppl don't really read my posts" frustration in this post


In line with previous thinking

My problem with this post is that there's a difference between clearing mets for the post and acknowling that it's actually villagery and at least not put him on the wolflist.

I agree that the wolfhunting is underwhelming, but imo he's trying to clear villagers which is just as important.

Overall I find his d2 vilagery as well.

I reread the stuff that most people found wolfy from derwi (mainly frmo 1000 to 1100) and I have no idea what is going on. I didn't find the posts wolfy per se but I understand why people would think that.

Interesting timeline:
- It seems that derwi left the thread while still on villager lists (xxsooted 1079) + mets (1051) + FCBL (1127).
- WN has him on wolfy list (1176)
- WN votes derwi (1265)
- andy votes derwi (1267 (says something about drama value)
- mcavoy makes a votecount in post 1273
- mets says that its gtpitch vs derwi (1272)

Fun fact: When mets says its derwi vs gtpitch the votecount was mac 4/uaw 3/ gtpitch 3 / derwi 2

Theres alot of reasons for that:
- I'm kind of a drama-queen and if I don't feel my reads are being discussed on an approapiate basis i dont feel encouraged to post more of them (It's kind of in the "Ppl dont comment, meaning people dont read, meaning it doesnt matter" which is wrong but still...)
- My reads have been off a bit- im still saved and awesome if xxaces/digger are villagers and xxsooted/oti are wolves or close to taht, but reveals havent been great for me
- I dont have the time for this amount of posting. I was suggseting a post restrictin in signup with 25-30 and I actually did out. I inned cuz i assumed ppl could honor the fact that alot of ppl didnt have much time. I appreciate soah mentioning this to mets. The game is getting out of hand

soah