we should just replace all the ads in pog with "DONT SNAPVOTE IN MUST LYNCH"

From F7: 3 lynches to catch 2 wolves from 4 unknowns. well named does great work. sanga puts in diggeresque efforts. Sun deconstructs the the whole game at F5, exposing every motivation of all players, alive and dead, with penetrating logic. Wolf Loretta is one notch short of lolrats, destined to be lynched at F5 and posting nothing. In the last 10 minutes of F5 new player (peeked villa) who hasn't been heard from much shows up with theory that Loretta is villa and sun must be lynched at F3. chaos ensues. Wolf anarchist is lynched. sanga is nk'd.

F3: Thread opens. New player snap votes sun seconds later. Game over, wolves win.

All the posts from F3
Sangaman and well-named (clear villagers) having strongly concluded that Loretta was the last wolf. Domer disagreed at the last minute, and didn't discuss, or what's that word when you consider other people's opinions, like 'collaborate', only not.

hey he waited minutes not seconds to cast that final 3 vote.

lets not exaggerate.

yeah - villagers should wait till everyone is in the thread.

As a rule - villagers should try and force the wolf to vote first.

lol wat we won?



TY Mewsic, much

fu 27 imo

domer don't feel bad about this, you know how annoying it was to watch you epically wolf in the politics game and have everyone clear you this game because "there's no way a new person can wolf like that" and I'm going "BUT HE CAN ZOMG IF ONLY I COULD SAY THIS"

yes indeed

Id like to nominate myself for Villa MVP

hahah it really couldn't be sun after his gargantuan f5 effort though

it was just me

seconded

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It should probably be a sticky since people can just turn off ads.

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Sangacliffs

I spent 3-5 hours today rereading the thread and responding to Sun today. Started off the day leaning towards lynching Loretta (who was a near lock wolf and had all but conceded) then Sun. Over the course of the day, I changed my mind to believe the wolf team was Loretta/Anarchist. This was due largely to the effort Sun put in as well as numerous good points he made showing that he was a villager and Anarchist was a wolf. And I also realized that the Fluttershy NK, which made Anarchist SHC, had a good chance of being FPS since I realized the wolves might not have been sure whether the seer was VM or 27a and killing them but missing would have been disastrous.

Anyway, w/ 1 hour left in the day I write up a post in notepad and I wait to post it until Domer is done reading the thread. He'd showed up a little earlier and asked me to give him time so he could read, and I did. I didn't want to just give him orders to lynch Anarchist in f3 (at this point I assumed a Loretta lynch in f5 was a given) so I waited to post my thoughts until he was done reading.

I saw this post and I thought to myself "well, looks like he's pretty convinced the wolves are Anarchist/Loretta too, I won't need to do much convincing." I went back into notepad and emphasized that domer should give Anarchist a chance to talk in f3. I also added a note that Loretta should go first since there was a chance Anarchist was a villager but virtually no chance Loretta was. Then I posted what I had in notepad:

At this point I'm still blissfully unaware that Domer wants to lynch Anarchist/Sun Tzu. At the time, letting Loretta live in f3 was almost as incomprehensible of an idea to me as letting a peeked wolf live in f3.

Then I went and started making dinner. Almost 15 minutes later I checked on the thread to see if Domer had any questions for me and I saw this post:

Sun tzu is the wolf? Vote Anarchist? WTF is going on over here. Then I looked back and realized that, from skimming over d1 and d2, domer had convinced himself that the thread consensus for days was wrong and Loretta was a villager and had ALREADY VOTED.

Sun shows up with a few minutes left in the day and was quiet. I didn't know whether Anarchist was a villager and we'd just lost the game or what. At that point, we should have decided to take the f3 decision to leave Loretta alive out of Domer's hands, but there was no time to talk and we lynched Anarchist. Then Domer turbo lynched Sun Tzu in f3 before anyone posted. The end.

Poor sun. Twice in 2 games he's lynched at must-lynch firstly by a villager.

this game and vegans


Thread was a good read though. Final 5 was fricking awesome!

to the gimmick

lol @ twice

I've been mislynched at f3 more times than mets has said donuts

this is the main reason I came up with the "lynch me at ML+1" strategy

how I failed

- I got complacent because of "we still have a mislynch so it doesn't matter anyway". It did matter.

- Letting people get away with the idea that anarchist was a villager. I never really bought it but I should have fought it the whole way.

- I should have looked at shanks more. I got locked into the idea that he was a wolf and never stopped to reevaluate that. Looking back, even though shanks himself doesn't give much, the way he was pushed by the wolves, especially the way anarchist was toward him should have led me to reconsider. At the point when I have basically proven that anarchist is a wolf (at least in my mind) and then Loretta was shown to be a wolf by WN, if I had been thinking clearly and without blinders, I should have been able to clear shanks by POE, especially after anarchist starting clearing shanks.

I really did drop the ball.

You can't blame yourself. You comprehensively won the game at f5, simple as that. You're not responsible for the other guy's inability to read, think or play werewolf.

Domer played an excellent game as a villager.

He did listen to players. He actually listened to me and Variance. Both of us thought Sun (at the time that we left the game) was a wolf.

Certainly, it looks better for him if he deliberates and considers and then ultimately votes for the wrong player. But lets not take away from him that he wasn't struck by madness; he clearly followed the game, made a read, and was just incorrect. Happens to the best of us.

Ha ha, I'd surely like to know who Fluttershy is. Obv. Domer did not play an excellent game. He thought the game was locked earlier and stopped bothering to read or think from then on. He created grandiose theories that made too much of too little information, rather than doing what a good villager does: create smaller hypotheses out of what is known.

And yeah, it's fine to make a bad read. People do that to the point of hard-defending a wolf and fighting tooth and nail to avoid his lynch and we don't blame them, but if there's a consensus and you read someone contrary to that consensus, you owe it to your teammates to at least think about their cases, rather than make a hero play.

sorry but this would never ever happen to me.

not insta voting is a total freeroll. for all he knows loretta could come in to the thread and accidentally post a wolf pm in the wrong thread.

or sun could come in to the thread with new information he had found over night that proved loretta was a wolf.

there is just absolutely no justification for doing it here or in turbos. its never correct ever.

(i havent read the whole game but there is obv no issue with going with the gut and voting loretta. but just give sun a chance to speak....)

yes except you left the thread days before sun went on a villa tirade and lock cleared hmiself

I'm still in a state of shock from this game.

wow

no way

wow

how...

nvm

I strongly disagree. Domer did not listen in the final days. He ignored the hours of work Sun spent clearing himself and I spent analyzing the game. He ignored the cases on why Loretta had to be a wolf, and disregarded the fact that he was a consensus wolf since at least f7. Loretta had stopped defending himself, I don't think it's an understatement to say he was one step away from lolcatting.

Instead, Domer came up with his own hero theory w/ ~30 minutes left in the day without discussing it with me or any of the other players at all. He voted according to his own whims, and then in f3 he turbo voted the obvious villager over the obvious wolf without even giving a Sun a chance to say a word.

exactly, that's what made him so awesome