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10-31-2011 , 05:57 PM

#5126

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by Thaxll'ssillyia

This part of his claim is consistent both with common mishmash mechanics and with at least one character in the underlying theme.

Also, I believe it is three times, not four; there were no attacks on the first day.

We're not talking about an attack power, but about rdgb's claimed power of village tracker. There have been three nights during which he could have used his power so far, and tonight would be the fourth.

We had a wolf tracker die earlier, and their role reveal indicated no such restriction.

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10-31-2011 , 05:57 PM

#5127

younguns87

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OK so our 3 wagons are Variance, Bobman and jjhender.

I kinda believe jjHenders roleclaim, and his reasoning makes more sense than "I didn't see it", not a good shot, but i can see that reasoning

So my preference is Variance first Bobman 2nd.

Understand that I don't think jjHender is lock clear by any means and the shot was ughh... basically he signed his death warrant whichever side he is on.

Variance I have a test at 9:30, so i will be in and out, and damn sure im back before EoD to get people on Variance for lead wagon

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10-31-2011 , 05:57 PM

#5128

monikrazy

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

I honestly don't understand why you would assume it was fake.

You don't get to give input on this.

you outed your role d1

and now you are dictating how someone else outing their role should play it

NO.... i am telling you that the moment i die it will verify my claim and using his power on you would be a complete waste

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10-31-2011 , 05:57 PM

#5129

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by Thaxll'ssillyia

Declining to shoot the claimed power villager, shooting instead the effectively-outed wolf, or no one, would make you look wolfier?

You insult my intelligence.

I'm sure you're plenty smart, but you're being dumb. The relevant decision point was early in the ITA period, before I could have known that AE would claim. At that stage, going through ITAs without shooting anyone, after I had said I would and people talked about how fishy people who weren't shooting were, would be much wolfier than not shooting consensus target AE.

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10-31-2011 , 05:57 PM

#5130

FCBLComish

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

STOP PRESSURING VILLAGERS TO OUT INFORMATION

WW STRATEGY 101

OK, please give us a list of all the villagers, and then we can just pressure the wolves.

OR should we not pressure the wolves?

Monik, you play this game the way my bridge partner plays bridge. She assumes that I have exact knowledge of every card in her hand and if I make a play that is +EV but does not work, she uses results to prove that I was wrong.

WW is a game of pressuring people who are wolfy to see how they react.

You have been WOLFY all game. If you are a villager, that does not make a difference.

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10-31-2011 , 05:58 PM

#5131

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

ok let's go back to the main point

abandoning VM wagon because he might be angeled is awful strategy, not killing anyone would be better than targeting players who weren't even discussed

if he survived we could be more confident he was awolf

if he were wrong and he is a villa we would have gotten it out of the way and been able to move on to the next wagon

WE DISCUSSED THEM, MONI. JUST BECAUSE YOU DID NOT DISCUSS THEM DOESN'T MEAN THEY "WEREN'T EVEN DISCUSSED."

Wow.

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10-31-2011 , 05:58 PM

#5132

Thaxll'ssillyia

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

Ah. Carry on.

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10-31-2011 , 05:58 PM

#5133

younguns87

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Not shooting AE would make me look wolfier

Again, I can't tell if this is serious.

Also only wolves think like that.

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5134

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by younguns87

I like this.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

You're a joke.

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5135

rdgb

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Originally Posted by Thaxll'ssillyia

it was 3 times, i've only used it twice though leaving me with a remaining peek

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5136

monikrazy

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Originally Posted by FCBLComish

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

if i gave you a complete answer it would benefit wolves more than villa, this should be extremely obvious

this is what you should be aware of

1. YG and RGB are lock villa

2. i am lock villa

3. if i survive the night i am ok with being ITAED to verify my claim

can you see why pressuring RGB is not a good play

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5137

jjhender

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Ok, time for where I'm at with reads:

Lock Villa
wisski (assuming seer)
CQ (assuming peeked)
thiradell (assuming peeked)

Strong Villa
rdgb (claimed tracker with no counter)
gadarene
hadis
silman
swiitch
TheNothing

Weak Villa
FCBL
Gabe
Kruze
Monik
derwi
younguns

In The Middle
bobman
OMW
Supine
telco

Weak Wolf
IANAWW
Noah
atakdragon

Wolf
variance

And yes, I know I don't have enough wolves.

Also as a reminder, if I have a wolf as a mirror image of myself it is telco, variance, gabe, or silman.

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5138

Hadis

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One question to the musketeers, neither of you considered the A.E. can be killed tomorrow with one shot if a village desires?

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10-31-2011 , 05:59 PM

#5139

Gadarene

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Variance and bobman should be the wagons, ideally in that order.

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10-31-2011 , 06:00 PM

#5140

jjhender

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

I honestly don't understand why you would assume it was fake.

I guess the easiest way to understand it is that I'm just not terribly good. It's the same reason that I didn't consider for a second changing off of Palo when he claimed with <5 minutes before night. It's just way too easy to do as a wolf to buy yourself time.

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10-31-2011 , 06:00 PM

#5141

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by jjhender

Are you saying that bobman isn't a wolf either? Really?

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Originally Posted by Hadis

One question to the musketeers, neither of you considered the A.E. can be killed tomorrow with one shot if a village desires?

Are you saying that neither jjhender nor bobman is a wolf? Really?

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10-31-2011 , 06:01 PM

#5142

younguns87

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Originally Posted by Hadis

One question to the musketeers, neither of you considered the A.E. can be killed tomorrow with one shot if a village desires?

I lol'ed at "musketeers"

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10-31-2011 , 06:01 PM

#5143

monikrazy

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

almost any play that involves missing the majority of relevant ITA period and shooting without reading would be superceded by a play involving no shot at all

the exception is with a player who has been seer-peeked wolf

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10-31-2011 , 06:02 PM

#5144

Thaxll'ssillyia

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jjh, other than the effectively-outed wolf, I am one of your three wolfiest reads? Wolfier than the (other) player who just attempted to kill a claiming power villager? Wolfier than someone who has not been here at all today, and than someone who is admitting to not reading the thread?

Justify that. What have I done that has been wolfy?

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10-31-2011 , 06:02 PM

#5145

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by jjhender

You can be extremely good, though. And you've definitely been around. I understand the skepticism w/r/t Palo even though I thought that wagon was terribad and unsupported from the getgo; I don't understand how you don't give a claimed strong villa PR (seriously, he phrased his defense like he was the villa vig seer) a little breathing room and some benefit of the doubt instead of instashooting.

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10-31-2011 , 06:03 PM

#5146

younguns87

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Also, if both Varaince and Bobman flip wolf, Im giving myself a pat on the back and saying eff the h8ers

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10-31-2011 , 06:03 PM

#5147

Swiitch

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

just to briefly summarize how ridiculous this is

VM ITA that we discussed for 24 hour sstraight was abandoned because he might be angeled?

but you're not results oriented are you?

it's ok to shoot XXS when we get a wolf, but you said nothing about not shooting VM back then, you just monday morning QB us now.

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10-31-2011 , 06:03 PM

#5148

FCBLComish

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Originally Posted by Hadis

One question to the musketeers, neither of you considered the A.E. can be killed tomorrow with one shot if a village desires?

Musketeers? LOL

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10-31-2011 , 06:03 PM

#5149

monikrazy

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RDG

if you have any sucessful tracks you should think about outing that information now as there is a fairly high chance of you being nked or roleblocked or other roles from wolves

use your judgment

players who got an action off could be anything from a pro-village power to a wolf seer or rolelocker