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Originally Posted by Murska
It was obvious that Tony and MNO were Masons from the moment Tony posted that he had a 99.999% read on MNO being town and refused to explain it. That's basically a mason claim where I come from. I didn't say it immediately, because it didn't seem obvious to everyone, but the post you quoted was me just coming out to say it as I'd judged that any wolf team would know by this point.
That list of yours I don't feel is very useful. By mafia spreading votes around I don't mean that they vote on people who don't have any other votes. Well, some of them certainly do, but that's an aside. I mean that mafia /does not decide together how to vote/, but instead every scum player decides by themselves, and generally avoids jumping on wagons with lots of other mafia. As for the names on the list, Infidel feels slightly towny based on his posts late D1, Anstonio is very likely town, Magic is scummy, you're kind of scummy yet I'm conflicted because of Nana pushing the wagon on you. It's interesting that you're active and aggressive today, when there's a movement to get you up to lynch, but then again town would be as well. The scummy part about it is mainly that you don't seem to be focusing on defending yourself directly but instead you're trying to get people to focus on others (such as me) instead of you, which is misleading, which is scummy. But it's not a very strong read. I'm town.
I'm a bit puzzled by Nana. I find her very scummy in many of her posts, but then at times she has flashes of high townyness, such as trying to organize that counterwagon on Foolishness. I kind of want to pressure her.
Magic no wait UDFK hasn't said anything yet, so I'll wait until he does. Same with Athexxx. But I won't wait forever.
I don't like DrippingGoofball. Being sure of Giga being scum and very loud about it would be towny, but he was so over the top it felt forced, like scum acting.
I agree with... who was it that said late D1 that one of the active, confident, friendly-ish people is going to be scum. But I don't know who. That player is playing a good game, whomever it might be. I feel there's 1-2 scum in the list of people with very few posts that aren't really contributing (includes Magic, Athexxx, Blood Fox (not his fault, giving him time here), Devourer).
I don't buy that Tony saying he's 99.999% indicates a confirmed connection. Both town and mafia will say things like this.
But I think the list is useful. Actually, if we combine what the two of us were saying things might make sense. Here's the ending votes from the previous day.
Votes | Lynch | Voters |
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10 | Giga13 | traz (69), TaylorFitz (47), fank009 (48), marvellosity (86), mastin2 (38), Verbal32 (26), TheMango (16), MNOWAX (9), DrippingGoofball (26), weareking (77) |
4 | Foolishness | captain binkles (87), Nana7 (85), soah (66), AngryPidgeon (113) |
2 | fank009 | chrja (31), Devourer (3) |
2 | soah | Giga13 (7), Athexx (3) |
1 | Anstonio | Infidel_PA (14) |
1 | captain binkles | Askthepizzaguy (40) |
1 | marvellosity | Cyan (9) |
1 | Nana7 | Anstonio (14) |
1 | Verbal32 | Murska (20) |
1 | MNOWAX | Foolishness (13) |
1 | Athexx | Magic no wait UDFK (12) |
1 | not voting | Blood Fox (2) |
Now with Cyan gone we're trying to find 6 mafia in the above lists. I said at the end of my long post that a possibility is the mafia spread out and so there's some mafia in the solo voters. You think the mafia spread out at the end because they vote more independently. I think we're both after the same thing here.
There has to be a chunk of mafia in the Giga votes. I explained my reasoning in my long post why there should be a few. Your reasoning is that there's mafia in the swingers at the end. Well, why not both?
traz, TaylorFitz, fank009, marvellosity, were the last four to jump on Giga. Of these, marvellosity I'm pretty sure is clean, with Taylor and Fank on the radar. traz I don't know. I think there's mafia in the players that voted in the middle of the pack: you, Mango, nana, Verbal, mastin.
How does the following look to you for the mafia team?
Pick 2-3 of: Taylor, fank, Mango, verbal, Nana7, possibly traz.
And now pick the rest assuming the mafia are spread out.
Pick 3: Nana7, Devourer, Athexx, Infidel, Magic, possibly AP and chrja. (I'm excluding you and me).
And actually, I want to repost your last paragraph there because it's very important:
"I agree with... who was it that said late D1 that one of the active, confident, friendly-ish people is going to be scum. But I don't know who. That player is playing a good game, whomever it might be. I feel there's 1-2 scum in the list of people with very few posts that aren't really contributing (includes Magic, Athexxx, Blood Fox (not his fault, giving him time here), Devourer)."
Though instead of the confident, friendly-ish people (honesty who fits this profile?) I think there's mafia in the spammers, those who are posting a lot and frequently make one line posts. These people include: AP, Nana7, DG, traz, Taylor. If this isn't true then the mafia are among all the inactives. Who else could be in the mafia? Binkles? No, doesn't fit. Marvellosity? No, he's not pushing an agenda. Weareking? No, he has good ideas, even if some are a bit bizarre.
Mafia
Taylor/Fank, Mango, Verbal, Nana7
Pick from your favorite inactives: Devourer, Athexx, Magic
Pick from your favorite spammers: AP, Nana7, DG, Taylor.
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