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Traz if you're around and I'm wrong, here's what I'd really like to see from you, since you still seem to think it's Nana:

Quote specific posts explaining your case against Nana. Or if there are specific interactions in a lot of posts you want us to look at, give me page numbers that you want us to look at. Don't describe your case, make it. Even if you get lynched, give us what you consider the best argument you have for what the village should be looking at tomorrow.

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09-22-2013 , 06:20 PM

#4477

DrippingGoofball

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I'll be back in an hour.

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09-22-2013 , 07:00 PM

#4478

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	traz	Nana7 (31), Athexx (22)
1	DrippingGoofball	TaylorFitz (4)
1	Nana7	traz (54)
2	unvote	DrippingGoofball (55), AngryPidgeon (53)

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09-22-2013 , 07:30 PM

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Votes from post 4235 to post 4478
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	traz	Nana7 (31), Athexx (22)
1	DrippingGoofball	TaylorFitz (4)
1	Nana7	traz (54)
2	unvote	DrippingGoofball (55), AngryPidgeon (53)

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09-22-2013 , 07:30 PM

#4480

traz

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Originally Posted by Athexx

I don't even know how to do this. It's so deep into the game that I think "cases" are overrated".

There are so many nuanced variables at play here....voting history, interaction with other wolves, lack of interaction with other wolves, certain posts that would be hard to make as a villager, etc etc etc

It's all there in the game. I don't see how I can reasonably be a wolf. Almost every wolf has had an interaction with me which points to me being a villager. I've called out alot of the wolf team. I've played and tried as a straight up villager and have been honest about everything.

If you guys reread the game and come up with me being wolfier than nana, then that's your decision. There's not much point in me quoting posts/interactions when all I'm going to say is "this is wolfy" and you are going to say it's not.

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09-22-2013 , 07:31 PM

#4481

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The most I can say is go back and read everything interaction where nana has mentioned a dead wolf, and go back and see every interaction where a dead wolf has mentioned nana.

Then go back and do the same thing with me and the wolves.

They paint vastly different pictures but nothing in a way where I can make a nice post to explain it.

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09-22-2013 , 07:33 PM

#4482

traz

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Originally Posted by Nana7

I think they hoped to see if town had another cop with a cc, and maybe hoped to see if town had another vig or if it had been passed along, scenarios Traz raised on d3.

My suspicions of Traz are managing to direct lynches, voting Giga at the end in case of "shenanigans," pushing to vote outside the claims d3, voting outside the claims d4, possible egging Mastin on, and despite mentioning Chrja a lot never voting Chrja until yesterday when it was already decided.

This is the kind of disingenuous post that I can't say anything against. It's mostly true but they are carefully chosen truths to make me look bad.

You can do that with anyone and make them look bad.

Imperfect play is NOT a sign of a wolf

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09-22-2013 , 07:35 PM

#4483

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Also I really did have a ton of multiquotes, without analysis. My comp crashed and they're gone. There's 25mins left in the day and I'm not going to go through it again.

Villagers are being lazy and the wolf is happy to let me die.

good luck imo, judging by today you guys will probably need it because I'm the only villager trying to actually solve things at this point, instead of throwing up a prayer

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09-22-2013 , 07:45 PM

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	traz	Nana7 (31), Athexx (22)
1	DrippingGoofball	TaylorFitz (4)
1	Nana7	traz (58)
2	unvote	DrippingGoofball (55), AngryPidgeon (53)

:00 good :01 bad

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09-22-2013 , 07:46 PM

#4485

traz

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Instead of going through and analysing at this stage, I'm just going to list all of the posts nana has made since Foolish died.

The first half of the game, nana's posts look good but the interactions with wolves looks incriminating. The second half is the opposite. Here are the posts nana made when I started to get suspicious. Once there were only 2 wolves left, the posts became lazy. They all read like standard wolf posts.

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Chrja was the one blocked. So if vig was blocked last night it was Chrja.

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Or they went for AP to keep down the number of town clear, and add credibility to Foolish claim.

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Given that they had to know we were suspicious, killing AP would have been a bad move on second thought, since his town clears would all eventually come under suspicion when he was found out.

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mastin

I still think Mastin is wolfy.

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If vig only had one shot left, i could see holding on to it to surprise town and gain an edge at the end. Maybe holding on to two shots but that is a bit much to hang on to.

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I am still inclined to think Fool tried to clear a wolf buddy.

Magic and Traz are murky middles for me, Blood is most likely of those 3 imo. But Mastin tops my list not only for being one of the three but just overall feel. Some of the things Marvel pointed out look pretty bad for Mastin too.

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Um, why would you even consider defending Mastin?

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If Mastin is wolf and Blood is town, Mastin could easily have switched to the Blood lynch. Fool lost all interest in pushing it as well when Murska showed up.

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BloodFox

Partly because Blood is suspicious in his own right, and partly for info about yesterday's lynch, was it 2 wolves or a wolf vs a town? It would be incredible for wolves to bus for a 5th loss if they had a townie to vote for.

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It was a pretty close vote though with good cases for both lynches.

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The godfather thing Magic said was odd, not checking. I double checked even though I knew it said no roles affect spy validity.

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Blood, when did you push suspicion on them?

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What? I like the vote, but don't follow the reasoning.

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I am not swayed in the slightest by Blood's continuing "poor me" defense.

But am calling Mastin's bluff on Traz. And yes, if you somehow flip town, I'll eyeball Traz.

Mastin

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I just noticed, this day is extended through Sunday.

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If Mastin flips town, I agree his claims need to be seriously considered. I doubt he will, but IF he does then ignoring his case on Traz would be foolishness.

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By claims I meant his reads, and his view that Traz/Chr are wolves.

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Important

Blood Fox, if you do not have time enough for this game, you can ask to be replaced.

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What will be really funny is if Mastin flips wolf, and the final three really does turn into Traz vs Dripping vs AP.

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I admire never say die spirit.

Mastin, if you are wolf, bravo for the effort. If you are town, your effort will not be wasted.

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I am suspicious of how Mastin can think Blood is town with so little to go on from Blood. I am also suspicious of him not being more suspicious of the others Foolish tried to clear.

But I give Mastin's clear of Blood a null on whether Blood is town or wolf, if Mastin is wolf.

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If Traz is wolf, it would take 2 wolves out of the vote and so long as it did not turn on Traz that would be 3 wolves out of the vote, leaving either 0 or 1 wolves thus likely a mislynch which also gives the Mango/Foolish gambit an extra day.

Even if Traz is town, it still took wolves out of contention and had a good chance of resulting in a mislynch.

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TaylorFitz

Come back and contribute something or hang.

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Survivor needs a low profile but also needs town to win and so would have an interest in figuring out who the wolves are.

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And I think Mastin's case against Traz rings true. That whole "lynch outside the claim" d3 stinks.

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Why do you think there is only 1 scum, Dripping?

TF claim does not make much sense. Making a big splash at the start, all to try to walk the line, when dying means losing?

How TF figured out the theme was good vs evil was never explained either.

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After re-reading Blood and Taylor I think they are both mostly dead weight town. I think Traz was terrible for the d3 off claim push, and Chrja was terrible for later defending it and even being unable to see why a scum would want to push it off another day? Gee, to lynch a town and give the gambit a longer life maybe?

Traz

Willing to switch to Chrja as long as one of them is lynched today.

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BloodFox

Partly because he could be the vig, partly to get info on the past two lynches and what wolf motives were.

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I am inclined to think Blood is dead weight town, but can also see him as vig and gain a lot of info about what has been going on with a flip.

If Blood is town, wolves were most likely voting Blood to save Fool. If Blood is wolf, other wolf would have been on Mastin. Maybe also having voted Fool after the Murska claim, since Fool was done for but Blood might live on.

It also gives us info about the vig, was it blocked or something else going on?

I like the info gain. I still like Traz/Chrja as most likely wolf team. Blood flipping wolf would pretty much clear them, but flipping town helps narrow down to suspects that include them both.

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I see no actual votes by Magic on Blood. Magic has voted on the non-blood wagons. So I would not rule them out as a pair.

The Blood lynch is imo mainly a strategic lynch with a chance of getting the vig.

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Wolves would have known if a vig kill was missing, immediately upon reading the np.

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It will be funny if there are only 6 and not 7 wolves, and Blood is the last one, after Mastin voted to kill self to save Blood.

Which was a bad trade regardless of Blood's team, considering there are still 0 posts today.

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I just asked mod.

If so, we would go for another lynch, but that would put us in an "evens" situation.

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That puts us in evens, which means we later have a no lynch. So we would be trading a double lynch now for another lynch later, after we would have had info from this lynch and time to question.

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Blood fox the invincible has another chance. :P

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I don't think mafia has a full vig, sitting on that for so long would be dumb. They could be sitting on one bullet though.

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What would make you think either me or Taylor?

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Me and Taylor are the only ones left who voted to lynch Fool d4. Blood was not a bad vote, but was an easy vote for wolf to make to save Fool. That is where the wolves are. Or wolf.

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I know I am town and doubt Taylor voted to bus rather than kill a town at that point in the game. It makes no sense.

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What are the chances wolves bus 5th member rather than an easily defended vote on Blood? Pretty much 0.

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I have been suspecting Traz and Chrja for a while. Dripping is new, mainly for still be alive.

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Re-reading d3, I wonder if the point of Fool claiming Mango was wolf was to clear Mango, hoping Fool would be the one lynched, and it blew up when we lynched Mango? Votes for Mango started immediately and Traz jumped in quickly to say lynching Mango was not the best move, and then kept trying to get people to lynch outside that claim. Then Chrja said pretty much the same thing.

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I am still re-reading d4. Angry and AP's claim look pretty legit.

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Traz is not busing, Traz is voting me. An odd vote.

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Votes are all that really matter, and even then only final votes count. And we do not know for sure if it is 1 or 2 wolves left.

Chrja

They both look equally bad d3/d4. Traz looks pretty good at the start of d2, so I'll vote Chrja for now and get some sleep.

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And Dripping, I am pretty sure you are voting with a wolf. If you want to lynch a wolf, vote Chrja or Traz.

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Shame on any villa voting me. And anyone who missed my earlier role, it is Chiune Sugihara, a Japanese that saved Jews. Also a vanilla.

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Every town saw Mango was the correct lynch and made the point repeatedly.

I suspect wolves wanted Foolish lynched in the hope it would make Mango look better. If they could get someone else lynched, all the better for them.

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We disagree because I am town and you are not.

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Athexx, Fank, would you change to Traz?

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I'd lynch Chrja, I would rather lynch you though. Especially since it looks like you might be spewing Dripping as your partner.

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Athexx, I think that is what the wolves were counting on. But we saw it from a different angle, that Fool would be nuts to pull that just to get a town lynched. So we lynched Mango.

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chrja

I doubt we can afford to split the vote.

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The activity problems have been frustrating.

I think in the future, there needs to be a min post per day or get replaced, with replacements already lined up to step in. 4 or 5 replacements for a game this size would be great.

fos at those not voting and not saying much too

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I doubt it is 8, when we have lovers and bodyguard rather than masons and doctor. 7 or 6 is much more likely.

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Boycott shampoo. Demand the real thing.

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I have been expecting the nk for the last 2 nights. I agree Taylor's vote today is terrible. My first thought on reading that was he is still dead weight town. Whether wolf or town he misread what was going on yesterday.

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My top suspect is still Traz. Taylor is back on the suspect list though.

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AP claimed not killable at night. Pretty sure he makes it to final 3 if we don't win today by lynching you.

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I figured my towniness was pretty clear. More than a few known town have pointed at me thinking like they are thinking.

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Traz opposed lynching in claim d3, was on Blood rather than Fool d4, had been egging Mastin on before d5 to set that up, and yesterday voiced suspicion of me/chrja but voted me and not chrja until the end. Only good thing Traz has is d2.

I tripped Cyan d1, went heavy on Fool d1 and d2, busted Infidel d2, found suspicious list from Mango d2, voted to lynch wolves d3/d4 rather than be distracted away from them, have been pushing Traz/Chrja since d5.

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Chrjra agreeing with you makes you more likely a pair imo.

And if we had lynched Fool d3, that might have made Mango unlynchable, which is what I think the wolves were going for. Mango was the right choice that day.

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I had BP in one game and managed to draw not 1 but 2 nk. I lmao at the wolves for that.

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AP, did the thought of trying to get nk cross your mind?

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Traz, if you flip village I have no idea atm what to do.

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AP, I was just wondering. The really great thing about BP is you can do stuff that makes the wolves want to kill you. And then they fail at it, so they just lost a nk.

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Most likely. My question is was he faking it or legit? I would have played survivor much lower key. But Magic cleared him and I can see him maybe thinking that was a good play. I am unsure about Taylor. He could have joined in the votes on either me or Traz yesterday. On the other hand his last few posts seam off.

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I don't know why Athexx would call Chrja out yesterday for the no lynch thing if they were together.

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I plan to re-read the thread tomorrow but right now I think

AP/Dripping if either are wolf, they deserve a medal.
Taylor- crazy lurking town
Athexx- probable town
Traz- wolf for reasons stated before

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If that is true then you are either wolf or not so hot at telling villa from wolf.

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I am not voting yet so the day can last. Consider my vote on Traz, though. I am still re-reading the thread to see if anyone stands out.

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Here are notes I made from d1 and d2 re-reads. d2 was full of busing with all known wolves. I also do not see how Traz had time for 5 full re-reads.

traz-
d1 voted dev, switched, pushed mno/giga/verb, mentioned dev later. noted fool defend on giga was wolfy but never voted fool
d2-mentions fool, fos on infidel, votes mastin. admits reason for last minute d1 vote was just got home and wanted to counter shenanigans. pushed infidel vote

ap-
d1 pushed cyan/fool, pointed out mno crumble, fought mastin, kept calling mastin town. pointed out infidel bad for agreeing about not changing votes. pointed out mango.
d2- why no vote?

dripping
d1-too confident, said infidel/chrja town. liked giga vote for giga being too quiet-scum
d2-voted fool, then called fool town. said ap/cyan not together, but then goes for ap. votes infidel with this "But I still live the Verbal wagon best. I'd rather a last minute jump on Infidel than Foolishness. "

taylor
d1 said don't fish masons
d2 said scum kill me, no vote

athexx
d2-voted by fool and mango, voted for fool

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I believe so.

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I have been thinking Traz. But you have moved yourself up my suspect list.

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Traz

I still think Traz is most likely. fos at Dripping.

I am also thinking the Fool claim d3 was intended to draw out PR in addition to making Mango look better.

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Does that look like what a town says or what a wolf says?

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Votes on me are dumb.

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Well my top suspect is Traz and I have said why. After Traz would be you but I don't expect you'll do that. One thing you should not be doing is voting town. I'm town.

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AP, why are you quiet?

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Where is everyone?

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09-22-2013 , 07:46 PM

#4486

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I'm not moved by traz's plea.

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09-22-2013 , 07:48 PM

#4487

traz

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Good luck to whoever gets to final 3. If I get lynched, it will be probably be dgb/ap with one of athexx/nana.

I'd probably still vote nana tomorrow but a large reason why I want to vote nana now is because it will make tomorrow easier (from my perspective).

If I was in a final 3 with dgb/ap/nana, I'd shoot myself. That is the situation one of you will likely be in when you lynch me.

At that point, I'd still probably vote nana but dgb is a serious consideration (hint, you guys should kill nana today then kill dgb next time)

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09-22-2013 , 07:48 PM

#4488

traz

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lastly, voting for dgb now because...I don't really have a choice. I'd rather vote for nana

dgb

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09-22-2013 , 07:48 PM

#4489

DrippingGoofball

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Wait wait

reading traz's simulpost right now

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09-22-2013 , 07:49 PM

#4490

traz

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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball

I'm not moved by traz's plea.

It's called honesty. I don't need to "plea".

The villager who ends up at final 3 should have a "plea" because they are going to wish they never signed up for the game

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09-22-2013 , 07:50 PM

#4491

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Votes from post 4235 to post 4490
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	traz	Nana7 (31), Athexx (22)
1	DrippingGoofball	TaylorFitz (4)
2	unvote	DrippingGoofball (57), AngryPidgeon (53)
1	Error	traz (62)

:00 good :01 bad

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09-22-2013 , 07:50 PM

#4492

DrippingGoofball

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Nana7

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09-22-2013 , 07:51 PM

#4493

DrippingGoofball

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I guess the mod will flip a coin?

It's about as good as my judgment in this game.

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09-22-2013 , 07:51 PM

#4494

traz

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I will probably have to stay voted on you and force a flip...

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09-22-2013 , 07:51 PM

#4495

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lastly, voting for dgb now because...I don't really have a choice. I'd rather vote for nana

dgb

WUT

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09-22-2013 , 07:51 PM

#4496

traz

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well if you vote nana then I can vote nana and force a flip

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09-22-2013 , 07:52 PM

#4497

DrippingGoofball

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I'm town so...

traz

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09-22-2013 , 07:52 PM

#4498

DrippingGoofball

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Well make up your mind. I'm voting you or Nana.

Goddamn flood protection.

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09-22-2013 , 07:52 PM

#4499

traz

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Vote nana and get a flip then imo

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09-22-2013 , 07:53 PM

#4500

traz

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nana

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