He was the target of distancing from Cyan.

It was obvious that Tony and MNO were Masons from the moment Tony posted that he had a 99.999% read on MNO being town and refused to explain it. That's basically a mason claim where I come from. I didn't say it immediately, because it didn't seem obvious to everyone, but the post you quoted was me just coming out to say it as I'd judged that any wolf team would know by this point.

That list of yours I don't feel is very useful. By mafia spreading votes around I don't mean that they vote on people who don't have any other votes. Well, some of them certainly do, but that's an aside. I mean that mafia /does not decide together how to vote/, but instead every scum player decides by themselves, and generally avoids jumping on wagons with lots of other mafia. As for the names on the list, Infidel feels slightly towny based on his posts late D1, Anstonio is very likely town, Magic is scummy, you're kind of scummy yet I'm conflicted because of Nana pushing the wagon on you. It's interesting that you're active and aggressive today, when there's a movement to get you up to lynch, but then again town would be as well. The scummy part about it is mainly that you don't seem to be focusing on defending yourself directly but instead you're trying to get people to focus on others (such as me) instead of you, which is misleading, which is scummy. But it's not a very strong read. I'm town.

I'm a bit puzzled by Nana. I find her very scummy in many of her posts, but then at times she has flashes of high townyness, such as trying to organize that counterwagon on Foolishness. I kind of want to pressure her.

Magic no wait UDFK hasn't said anything yet, so I'll wait until he does. Same with Athexxx. But I won't wait forever.

I don't like DrippingGoofball. Being sure of Giga being scum and very loud about it would be towny, but he was so over the top it felt forced, like scum acting.

I agree with... who was it that said late D1 that one of the active, confident, friendly-ish people is going to be scum. But I don't know who. That player is playing a good game, whomever it might be. I feel there's 1-2 scum in the list of people with very few posts that aren't really contributing (includes Magic, Athexxx, Blood Fox (not his fault, giving him time here), Devourer).

Pssst, weareking, who needs me when you havr goofball

So, with no 3rd factions in this game, AP is town? Thank you goofball for such a nice piece of information.

Well now who's not reading the thread?

Not said anything meaning not said anything with any content. You haven't posted any analysis, you haven't even really posted much in the way of suspicions or reads.

I didn't know there weren't 3rd factions, on my homesite in large games like this we usually have two anti-town factions.

Thoughts on cyan goofball???

Mod clearly stated, no 3rd parites, or was the opening posts tl;dr for you?

OP are alwasy TL;DR.

Where I come from 3rd party usually means alternate wincons. We refer to a game with two scum teams as 'multiball.'

*punch*

ok so I woke up and am packing things because I'm staying in a hotel for the next two days. so when I get there I will go though day one pick out some stuff I want to highlight and get fully caught up.

1k posts is nothing.

What is tl dr?

All the talk about it being too late in the day to change votes is absolute rubbish. 3 hours is an eternity, 2 or even 1 hour is still plenty of time with people actively online.

If Foolish believed in Giga so hard, he should have encouraged Giga voters to move, not stay there. Every single post defended Giga right up to the point when it looked like votes could move, then he changed gears. That is why he has my vote. That combination is highly suspect to me. Even if you are worried that scum will try to direct it, it beats lynching someone you believe in.

And people suggesting I have not been contributing are dismissing what I did. I pushed Tony for what I still think were crazy posts. Later I tripped up Cyan and was ready to pounce for his claim of Tony good/MNO bad, when Mango showed up not having grasped that they had to be together either, so I reconsidered that maybe some people were slower to grasp that and let it go. I also pushed Foolish with my own thoughts and Taylor at the start of the day for his wierdness.

TL;DR would mean 'Too Long; Didn't Read'. As in, the post was so long that he didn't read it.

I don't buy that Tony saying he's 99.999% indicates a confirmed connection. Both town and mafia will say things like this.

But I think the list is useful. Actually, if we combine what the two of us were saying things might make sense. Here's the ending votes from the previous day.

Votes	Lynch	Voters
10	Giga13	traz (69), TaylorFitz (47), fank009 (48), marvellosity (86), mastin2 (38), Verbal32 (26), TheMango (16), MNOWAX (9), DrippingGoofball (26), weareking (77)
4	Foolishness	captain binkles (87), Nana7 (85), soah (66), AngryPidgeon (113)
2	fank009	chrja (31), Devourer (3)
2	soah	Giga13 (7), Athexx (3)
1	Anstonio	Infidel_PA (14)
1	captain binkles	Askthepizzaguy (40)
1	marvellosity	Cyan (9)
1	Nana7	Anstonio (14)
1	Verbal32	Murska (20)
1	MNOWAX	Foolishness (13)
1	Athexx	Magic no wait UDFK (12)
1	not voting	Blood Fox (2)

Now with Cyan gone we're trying to find 6 mafia in the above lists. I said at the end of my long post that a possibility is the mafia spread out and so there's some mafia in the solo voters. You think the mafia spread out at the end because they vote more independently. I think we're both after the same thing here.

There has to be a chunk of mafia in the Giga votes. I explained my reasoning in my long post why there should be a few. Your reasoning is that there's mafia in the swingers at the end. Well, why not both?

traz, TaylorFitz, fank009, marvellosity, were the last four to jump on Giga. Of these, marvellosity I'm pretty sure is clean, with Taylor and Fank on the radar. traz I don't know. I think there's mafia in the players that voted in the middle of the pack: you, Mango, nana, Verbal, mastin.

How does the following look to you for the mafia team?
Pick 2-3 of: Taylor, fank, Mango, verbal, Nana7, possibly traz.
And now pick the rest assuming the mafia are spread out.
Pick 3: Nana7, Devourer, Athexx, Infidel, Magic, possibly AP and chrja. (I'm excluding you and me).

And actually, I want to repost your last paragraph there because it's very important:

"I agree with... who was it that said late D1 that one of the active, confident, friendly-ish people is going to be scum. But I don't know who. That player is playing a good game, whomever it might be. I feel there's 1-2 scum in the list of people with very few posts that aren't really contributing (includes Magic, Athexxx, Blood Fox (not his fault, giving him time here), Devourer)."

Though instead of the confident, friendly-ish people (honesty who fits this profile?) I think there's mafia in the spammers, those who are posting a lot and frequently make one line posts. These people include: AP, Nana7, DG, traz, Taylor. If this isn't true then the mafia are among all the inactives. Who else could be in the mafia? Binkles? No, doesn't fit. Marvellosity? No, he's not pushing an agenda. Weareking? No, he has good ideas, even if some are a bit bizarre.

Mafia
Taylor/Fank, Mango, Verbal, Nana7
Pick from your favorite inactives: Devourer, Athexx, Magic
Pick from your favorite spammers: AP, Nana7, DG, Taylor.

Unvote

You didn't provide any of your own thoughts. Soah made some thoughts, and I already demonstrated in my earlier post why there wasn't a case against me.

It was the same for Giga, there was never a case against him. Show me a post where someone accused Giga of being mafia that's at least two paragraphs. You can't because there isn't any.

Foolish, wouldnt 1139 be an obvious scenario???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foolishness View Post
Because that's how townies get lynched. If the vote gets deflected off of these two on to some random person it's too easy for the mafia to control the lynch. It never works out in the town's favor. It's about staying organized and focused.

Looking elsewhere is not the same as trying to start a wagon on someone else. Murska and now AP are throwing down votes without just cause, and that's not going to lead us anywhere. I think the Giga lynch is awful, but lynching him gives us much more information than bandwagoning a random player 3 hours before the day is over.



Soah makes a good case. And this post in particular just does not sit right after Foolish spent the day defending Giga like crazy. Foolish should want the focus off Giga, not to remain there and maybe even lynch him.

Foolishness


You dropped the underlined part yourself there. Almost too obvious to be wolfy thing to do. That post was my own thinking.

And the point is not whether Giga had a case against him, but that you were defending him so hard (townies rarely go that far out without a reason) only to in my view, turn on him.

Vote Nana7
After yesterday why are you even thinking of voting anywhere but Nana?
I just can't believe you guys can't see that she is an evil little wolf?
I tried to tell you all yesterday, but oh no.
Please today get a wolf hanging and vote Nana.

Apart from meta, do you have a case???

yes look at the way she posted yesterday trying to start up a bandwagon here there and everywhere. just think

I find that most of the time the people who jump out saying let's get them, are bad.
The same goes for the first to post, the guys that jump up and say Oh what a bad lynch. All of that type of stuff is scum.
Let's face it look at how helpful she is, to lynch anyone......

Foolishness: Looking at your list, I have town reads on Taylor and AP. So my scum list would read something like:
Fank, Mango, Nana
Pick 2 from Devourer/Athexx/Magic/DrippingGoofball/Verbal
Possibly one in mastin2/weareking/chrja.

This is kind of rough, though.

Even if that is all I got, I know she is scum. If you want to listen to her go for it at your own lose. I'm surprised she didn't push for me to be NKed, she probably thinks she can still get me lynched....

Tony, can I call you Slick Tony for the game? :P

Me and you can fight d3, I have other things to do today.

You can call me what ever you like SCUM!!!