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'07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters '07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters

07-01-2020 , 11:33 PM
I think atak that night

Forget earlier peeks
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07-01-2020 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
Good afternoon. Shame to have lost that brilliant rand(). But i quite enjoy reduxes as well (hi VR!)

Bird man is village.

Jennfox dropping post #1 and disappearing is pretty wolfy. Biggerboat acting wolfy as well but not sure I’ve played with him. But I see the most feigned attempts to help by

sixfour
BTW, still undefeated in Reduxes
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07-01-2020 , 11:34 PM
Thanks for hosting mods. Fun game. Sorry I couldn't post more, my excuses in thread were legit.

I mentioned the fake claim in wolf chat, but it wasn't thoroughly discussed, and decided to go for it mainly for the lols. I also knew I wouldn't be able to post much until Sunday night or Monday (I think it was Thursday or Friday when I died).

I thought as consolation prize we might get the seer to out, or maybe even get a win out of it.
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07-01-2020 , 11:37 PM
Bigger made posts where he said most certainly about dmk being a villager and me being a wolf and I thought that was pretty weird, so I used dmk as my fake peek.

I probably would have peeked birdman if I was the real seer, but maybe I would have read the thread too.
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07-01-2020 , 11:46 PM
Yeah Tokyo we couldn't kill you outside of peeking but that wasn't apparent to me based on your role description. Description said you cant be night killed by wolves so I thought that meant you could be vig'd. Didn't make a difference thought - we nightkilled you because we thought you were our most likely seer hunt choice (followed closely by biggerboat). Unfortunate for me you vig'd my ass same night lol
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07-01-2020 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
So I don't remember playing much with you back in the day outside of turbos, but I wanna say your effort was great and I was so hoping you were a wolf bc you were being such a good villager that it would be an all time swerve if you were a wolf. Props.



Ah, so I guess my strategy of going full pro-village d2/3 was probably best. Who did gus wolf seer peek as SK?

Thank you, I am happy that I was able to mostly clear myself I think sadly that and my d2 coordi votes are the only things I can hang my hat on. The rest was messy

There were some posts from you that made me feel like you were some sort of PR but i wouldn’t have guessed SK. Well played on your part, nice win. Also my wife had fun in dead villa chat and likely would have hated playing these last few days so you prob did her a favor shooting her lol
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07-02-2020 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
Also, in case anyone cares about the SK kill logic

n1 - bobo - normally, this is standard...
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07-02-2020 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
BTW, still undefeated in Reduxes
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07-02-2020 , 03:30 AM
Final lists:

Well played
Everyone

Special mentions for impressive effort
jonnyd
nich
binkles

Thank you for the game
VR
KM

Sorry for tunneling
riverfish
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07-02-2020 , 03:38 AM
Good game everyone and massive thank you to the MODS - it was a really well designed and fun game to be a part of!

That said, as much as I loved this game, I won't be returning to play WW any time soon, even for a game. It simply takes too much time that I cannot afford right now, and trying to balance all the responsibilities in life with trying to be useful in the game was a bit too stressful for my liking and has had some (not big) negative impact on stuff. So I guess its a good chance to accept that WW is not an option, for a while at least.

I do apologize for low posting, though I do believe I posted a decent amount earlier in the game, its just the last several days were it deteriorated severely. I can assure you though that I never not-posted because I thought it's convenient or whatever, basically if I could be around - I posted, and if I didn't post, it's because I couldn't be around.

This makes the victory slightly bittersweet, because even though I feel like WE deserved the win for our efforts, my lack of engagement in the end puts a bit of a stain in my mind on ME deserving to win. You guys were already piecing it together in the end, I was appearing on wolf lists, so all that early posting was kinda going to waste in a sense.

Anyway, enough rambling. Really well played all, some villagers were playing fantastic, wolf team was really great, Tokyo was supergood, MODS were fantastic, mini-contests were fantastic.

And sorry, KruZe - nothing personal at all! Your raptors actually made me crack up multiple times
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07-02-2020 , 03:43 AM
Oh and how could I forget binkles?! This fella waltzed in instead of our easy misclap and solved almost the entire wolf team in like half an hour. That was one of the scarier moments in the game, but thankfully there was not enough time for people to change their votes, or this game could have went veeeeeery differently in the end. Impressive, binkles!
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07-02-2020 , 03:46 AM
gg, wp woflteam/tokyo, thanks mods
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07-02-2020 , 04:38 AM
shortline played two games, lynched two times on day 2

No respect anymore
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07-02-2020 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
BTW, still undefeated in Reduxes
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
Hilariously enough, I actually avoided calling it REDUX when I was rewriting all the role pms, because I thought it might look like I was rubbing people's noses in the original redux.

But KM had the tedious job of reposting everything from the first thread and I didn't think to mention it to her...

I giggled when I saw that all my careful forethought about the PMs was for nothing because she went ahead and titled the thread that way!




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07-02-2020 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
Mods did an amazing job; this is my favorite ruleset for a larger game (small games can do vanilla) because it added new roles without chaos.

Should be the standard for 20ish-30ish player games
Thank you that made me get a little sniffly.

Special appreciation to:

Uncle Dynamite
GabetheBabe
Gadarene

who reviewed the roleset for me!

Also to our minievent judge:

chuckleslovakian
iraisetoomuch
kyro
marknfw

who btw, did not know any roles or alignments and were banned from railing the thread until their judging was over, so they wouldn't be biased.



Also shoutouts to Thingy for suggesting the theme and Stork who had suggested a poisoner mechanic that would be great for a reunion game but I ended up cutting because I was concerned about having too many confirmable villagers.

And of course, co-modding with KM was not only a privilege but really really fun. Hysterical laughter was frequent, disagreements were few and always polite, and not that you guys needed me to tell you this, but she pretty much is awesome in every imaginable way.
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07-02-2020 , 05:50 AM
Random other thoughts:

I want to highlight jonnyd's role in case any of you missed it:
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jonnyd, you are SCOTTHOWARD from ScottHoward's Commute!!! (exclamation points his) game. You are a villager. Your win condition is the total elimiination of the threats to the village represented by the wolf team and the serial killer.

Um, wait, ScottHoward was a forum poster, not a character, you say? You wouldn't be so quick to say that if you knew one of his classic ScottHoward lines. Because he was a character. He was more than a character.

He is a Legend.

Ever wonder about the origins of SHROOP? It stands for ScottHowards Rule of Odd Posts. Ever wonder about the origin of pwnt?

Okay, that one wasn't Scott. But he redefined it. In the POG forum, you are now pwnt when another car zooms past you in rush hour traffic.

Broody and brilliant, two parts irrationality and one part jiggly asian avatar, ScottHoward will never die in the collective POG hearts and minds.

But in this game, you can be SHUNNED just like any other player, so be careful. Welcome to your new life. Welcome to life as ScottHoward. We may not know how he'd cope with being dropped into the Megaverse, but we're pretty sure he'd find a card game within minutes.

Do him proud.

Reminder, if you are unfamiliar with your character, it may benefit you to do a minimal amount of research. Thank you for playing, good luck, and above all, HAVE FUN!
Originally, ScottHoward was the village tracker, and his alter ego mostsmooth was the wolf tracker. That was why they had to share their powers and fight it out every day to use it, because they were the same person!

I originally had them as lovers (two roles that die together) for the same reason, but the game reviewers' reactions were very mixed about that and I ultimately decided to remove it.

I was very sad when I had to dump the Scott/most character due to the rerand. Reworking that and the peacekeeper powers and a few other things were the most challenging parts of the relaunch.

One of the things I changed was really bad...giving the peacekeeper the silencing power instead of the posting pics power. Such a mistake. I do think the peacekeeper is an interesting role and could play a part in keeping the thread readable both in terms of number of posts and its abililty to give people a "time out" when tempers flare.

But it should have been for much much less than most of the day, especially if there was going to be full-on silencing. I didn't mind the peacekeeping being a LITTLE anti-village because the role is self-confirming, so I needed to make it not really hard on the wolf team, but bleh.

Re: Riverfish substitution, this was a tough call. Several hours before nightfall, River messaged the mod account and said, essentially, that his work had gone completely crazy and he wouldn't be able to post until Wednesday at the earliest. Keep in mind, this was on Sunday, so if he had lived that would have been zero posting on Monday and Tuesday and nothing since Saturday morning. KM and I disagreed on subbing him out, as she felt he was the likely lynch. I felt that we HAD to sub him out, as I would insta-post a request for a sub if any player not on the lynching block had sent me a pm that they couldn't post for over 48 hours. Trying to ignore the game state and the player's alignment, I asked myself, if I knew nothing, would I immediately try to replace this player? and the answer was yes. So we did.

But we weren't able to discuss it right away upon receiving his pm because I was working, so that was why binkles ended up coming in so late. Just be aware if I host again, that I really don't like people discussing subs, and I will always try to sub someone who can't post for multiple days.

I also owe several of you apologies:

wdc, for calling you an angleshooter when you weren't
atakdog, for writing a power that made it legit impossible for you to post for 2 days
Felix, for reasons I won't go into but Felix, you can pm me if you're curious

TL;DR:

1) I screwed up and some of you paid the price
2) I had a great time anyway and hope you did too
3) I don't know if the sub was the right move, but it was the least spewy one imo
4) Read the part about ScottHoward if you ever knew him. Just read it!
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07-02-2020 , 06:33 AM
I had completely missed YKW's RP posts. We knew a wolf had won a prize and we should have looked more closely.

It's not as bad as missing that the write-ups gave away crossnerd as the wolf vig, though.
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07-02-2020 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
I had completely missed YKW's RP posts. We knew a wolf had won a prize and we should have looked more closely.

It's not as bad as missing that the write-ups gave away crossnerd as the wolf vig, though.
They must have been shitty RP posts, then
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07-02-2020 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
They must have been shitty RP posts, then
No, not rly.

Remember you came in second with judges who knew nothing about who had posted what or their alignment.

And you beat out aaronk56 and dmk, who were both brilliant. Be proud!!
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07-02-2020 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
No, not rly.

Remember you came in second with judges who knew nothing about who had posted what or their alignment.

And you beat out aaronk56 and dmk, who were both brilliant. Be proud!!
How dare you speak to me, you mudblood.

Spoiler:
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07-02-2020 , 06:49 AM
Oh wait, I wasn't the Dark Lord this game, I forgot.

I meant, you must be wondering how such a dashingly beautiful and almost omni-potent guy with unlimited IQ like me would even talk to you at all?
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07-02-2020 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
They must have been shitty RP posts, then
I just read them and they're great! Not surprised you won second place.

I would certainly have went after you if I had seen them, instead of calling aaron maybe a wolf. There was just to much to read in this thread.
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07-02-2020 , 06:52 AM
Wait, did something happen to ScottHoward?
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07-02-2020 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
No, not rly.

Remember you came in second with judges who knew nothing about who had posted what or their alignment.

And you beat out aaronk56 and dmk, who were both brilliant. Be proud!!
I thought my RP posts given my character were better than all the vanilla quote lines from a movie and change a word. But maybe im biased
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07-02-2020 , 06:54 AM
wtf

I had a post.
Now it is gone.

Crossnerd's hints were SUPPOSED to be missed by the village. However, the village WAS supposed to know who killed who. This is a vanilla plus, not a mishmash.

I was really surprised that BobO's kill was so much speculated upon as being the wolf kill. His description said there wasn't a mark on him except for his fingernails being pulled out!
Also tokyo sent me messages with his serial kills and I wrote them on the walls for him. In blood. Another indicator, I thought, that these were the serial's.

Even after Nicholasp27 went into intricate detail about whose kills were whose, the village remained confused.

So if I rerun this roleset:

1)there will be no hints that could be linked to character
2) read the writeups if you want to know what happened the night before!

If I run a cyoa again (only saying this here, so this is a special advantage to anyone who played or railed this game) I encourage everyone to read all writeups and play all videos, if you want to maximize your chances of progessing early and winning kewl powers.
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