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Whats going on with Nevada online gaming? Whats going on with Nevada online gaming?

10-23-2012 , 03:53 PM
I see that party poker and 888 are all getting license for online poker partnering with a casino in Vegas.

I'm sure I know the answer to this and it is most likely no.
But will USA players be able to play with the international database of players that site all ready has?
Or will it something such as poker stars has it as pokerstars.FR

Partypoker.USA?
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10-23-2012 , 06:10 PM
maybe in the future, but not right away.
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10-26-2012 , 05:48 AM
I was thinking about this today. How big would a NV only poker market be?

How many live poker tables are running in Vegas alone on a typical evening?

Now multiply that by 5 or so to factor in multitabling.

Granted, it will be spread across several sites, but I think the NV online poker market might be bigger than any other state sans California. People go to Vegas to gamble. If the online poker stuff is connected flawlessly to the B&M stuff, I don't see any reason why a lot of tourists wouldn't at least try it.

An average of over 100K tourists are in Vegas every day. If an incredibly tiny percentage try online poker, that's a HUGE amount of fish
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10-26-2012 , 07:06 AM
Nv = 2% of US. Us is like 20% of world (comparing stars)

I assume in Nv people are 5 times as likely to play poker than anywhere else.

= 0.2x0.02x5=2%

So nv pool of biggest site should be about 2% of what stars is today.

That translates to 2-5k players. In peak times.

Wohooooooo how exciting.

I think that is optimistic.
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10-26-2012 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Nv = 2% of US. Us is like 20% of world (comparing stars)

I assume in Nv people are 5 times as likely to play poker than anywhere else.

= 0.2x0.02x5=2%

So nv pool of biggest site should be about 2% of what stars is today.

That translates to 2-5k players. In peak times.

Wohooooooo how exciting.

I think that is optimistic.
I've often thought this myself, namely that the traffic for Nevada would be somewhat comparable to what traffic is like currently on the remaining U.S. facing sites. That of course could get diluted depending on how many sites open and you might encounter even less traffic per site. I know that many have their hopes for legislation passing during the lame duck session, but if Romney wins the election doesn't that increase the chance that he will veto any such bill since it is in the republican platform to oppose federal legalization of online gaming?
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10-26-2012 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
I was thinking about this today. How big would a NV only poker market be?

How many live poker tables are running in Vegas alone on a typical evening?

Now multiply that by 5 or so to factor in multitabling.

Granted, it will be spread across several sites, but I think the NV online poker market might be bigger than any other state sans California. People go to Vegas to gamble. If the online poker stuff is connected flawlessly to the B&M stuff, I don't see any reason why a lot of tourists wouldn't at least try it.

An average of over 100K tourists are in Vegas every day. If an incredibly tiny percentage try online poker, that's a HUGE amount of fish
The B&M casinos do not want to bring people to Las Vegas so they can play online poker, they want online poker so they can bring people to Las Vegas.

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Originally Posted by knircky
Nv = 2% of US. Us is like 20% of world (comparing stars)

I assume in Nv people are 5 times as likely to play poker than anywhere else.

= 0.2x0.02x5=2%

So nv pool of biggest site should be about 2% of what stars is today.

That translates to 2-5k players. In peak times.

Wohooooooo how exciting.

I think that is optimistic.
I think that's way optimistic. Nevada has 3,000,000 residents. The B&M casinos are not going to promote online poker for the people who are already in Las Vegas. They want them in the restaurants, shops, and playing live craps, blackjack...etc.

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Originally Posted by poker_triad
I've often thought this myself, namely that the traffic for Nevada would be somewhat comparable to what traffic is like currently on the remaining U.S. facing sites. That of course could get diluted depending on how many sites open and you might encounter even less traffic per site. I know that many have their hopes for legislation passing during the lame duck session, but if Romney wins the election doesn't that increase the chance that he will veto any such bill since it is in the republican platform to oppose federal legalization of online gaming?
Two things here. Romney has nothing to do with the lame duck. Many politicians have come right out and said they don't adhere to the party plank at all. That said, the chances of getting the multi state compacting bill we would need go way down if rMoney wins.
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10-26-2012 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rwperu34



I think that's way optimistic. Nevada has 3,000,000 residents. The B&M casinos are not going to promote online poker for the people who are already in Las Vegas. They want them in the restaurants, shops, and playing live craps, blackjack...etc.
You're kidding right? Nevada casinos don't want people to play on their online poker site? WAT

So all that lobbying money they are shoveling at Reid is just for the hell of it?

It has been discussed many times on here how casinos are planning on integrating a system to deposit/withdraw at the casino cage to play online.

Online poker is the only way casinos make any money from tourists in their hotel rooms (other than room service)
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10-26-2012 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Nv = 2% of US. Us is like 20% of world (comparing stars)

I assume in Nv people are 5 times as likely to play poker than anywhere else.

= 0.2x0.02x5=2%

So nv pool of biggest site should be about 2% of what stars is today.

That translates to 2-5k players. In peak times.

Wohooooooo how exciting.

I think that is optimistic.
You are forgetting the >100k tourists in Vegas every single day. IMO, a pretty decent % will try "100% legal" online poker during their stay.

5k would make them the #2 site(s) in the world.

3k would make them top 5.
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10-26-2012 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
You are forgetting the >100k tourists in Vegas every single day. IMO, a pretty decent % will try "100% legal" online poker during their stay.

5k would make them the #2 site(s) in the world.

3k would make them top 5.
I'm assuming 2-5k players would be TOTAL players, not just cash game. You're looking at more like Merge and Revolution, not the size of Party.

Anyway, I think 2-5k players on all NV sites total is much more likely than having a big site of 2-5k players. The liquidity of NV only market will be brutal IMO.

I also think you're buying wayyyyy too much into the hype that tourists will play online poker in their hotel room.
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10-26-2012 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
You're kidding right? Nevada casinos don't want people to play on their online poker site? WAT

So all that lobbying money they are shoveling at Reid is just for the hell of it?

It has been discussed many times on here how casinos are planning on integrating a system to deposit/withdraw at the casino cage to play online.

Online poker is the only way casinos make any money from tourists in their hotel rooms (other than room service)
They'll gladly take that action IMO, but the reason for them moving was to be part of an interstate system.
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10-26-2012 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mapleleaf
I hope you're right about this one, DQ. I would expect that the potential of criminal penalties would be a better deterrent against cheating than what currently exists.

Is there any existing iPoker site where cheating is subject to criminal penalties, or will Nevada sites be unique in this regard?
oh noez, 2nd degree use of sharkscope, a Class E felony!
2 usernames from the same IP, a Class D felony!

ummmm, no
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10-26-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by albo gator
So, I get the feeling that the overall consensus of 2+2 posters is that Nevada sites are possibly going to wait until after the lame duck session to see if any Federal legislation gets passed before launching an intra-state site. (The sites like South Point, Stations, Boyd, Golden Nugget, etc. will say that they are still testing their software and working out kinks while the reality is they are probably in "wait and see" mode regarding Federal legislation).

Is that a fair overall assumption or did is misinterpret many of the other posts? And if I misinterpreted the posts, do you think we will see any Nevada site launch before January of 2013?
I'd be happy with January of 2013 at this point, but only if the player pool is not exclusively persons physically located in Nevada.
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10-26-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
I'd be happy with January of 2013 at this point, but only if the player pool is not exclusively persons physically located in Nevada.
This is what it's going to be.
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10-26-2012 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LT22
I also think you're buying wayyyyy too much into the hype that tourists will play online poker in their hotel room.
I agree that playing Nevada internet poker from a LV hotel room will be an infrequent event. But travelers at the airport have the potential to significantly add to the player pool. And they are likely to be the type of players that we would be glad to play against.



And there is the sizable northern Nevada interstate highway traffic, which might be enticed (by deposit bonuses or other promotions) to stop and play legal internet poker wherever there is WiFi.

The key is proper marketing.

Last edited by VP$IP; 10-26-2012 at 11:54 PM.
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10-27-2012 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rwperu34
This is what it's going to be.
Let's say no federal legislation passes any time soon. How long is it going to be the case that "this is what it's going to be?"
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10-27-2012 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
Let's say no federal legislation passes any time soon. How long is it going to be the case that "this is what it's going to be?"
Until the federal government passes a law allowing interstate pooling.
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10-27-2012 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
oh noez, 2nd degree use of sharkscope, a Class E felony!
2 usernames from the same IP, a Class D felony!

ummmm, no
As far as deterring botting, collusion and serious cheating, I think criminal penalties will be indispensable in curtailing them like they were for example in the effective elimination of the use of electronic devices for blackjack and roulette in the late 70's and early 80's.
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10-27-2012 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
As far as deterring botting, collusion and serious cheating, I think criminal penalties will be indispensable in curtailing them like they were for example in the effective elimination of the use of electronic devices for blackjack and roulette in the late 70's and early 80's.
balance forfeiture and life ban is sufficient
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10-27-2012 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rwperu34
Until the federal government passes a law allowing interstate pooling.
SCOTUS has held that this consent is necessary only in situations where the interstate compact may affect the political balance of the States within the Federal system; since it wouldn't affect the balance of power among States or violate any Federal law, a multi-state poker compact wouldn't require a new law - Congress would need to pass a new law to block it.
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10-27-2012 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
balance forfeiture and life ban is sufficient
not EVEN. if we want to deter professional online poker cheaters, and we do, give them something more to lose than their investment plus having one of their non-poker-playing friends or relatives (accomplices who should also be charged imo) banned for life from a game they never would play.

what difference would it make if jjprodigy's grandma got banned for life from all sites?

expedited death penalty for anyone cheating at online poker and double life sentences for anyone aiding and abetting someone who has cheated at online poker.
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10-27-2012 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
not EVEN. if we want to deter professional online poker cheaters, and we do, give them something more to lose than their investment plus having one of their non-poker-playing friends or relatives (accomplices who should also be charged imo) banned for life from a game they never would play.

what difference would it make if jjprodigy's grandma got banned for life from all sites?

expedited death penalty for anyone cheating at online poker and double life sentences for anyone aiding and abetting someone who has cheated at online poker.
cue Amnesty International in 3...2...1...

Last edited by starrazz; 10-27-2012 at 03:56 AM. Reason: 1800th post. Yea me.
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10-27-2012 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
SCOTUS has held that this consent is necessary only in situations where the interstate compact may affect the political balance of the States within the Federal system; since it wouldn't affect the balance of power among States or violate any Federal law, a multi-state poker compact wouldn't require a new law - Congress would need to pass a new law to block it.
They were discussing when Nevada could go interstate. The Nevada law has a provision specifically requiring some sort of federal green light to pool with other states.
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10-27-2012 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by uncooper
They were discussing when Nevada could go interstate. The Nevada law has a provision specifically requiring some sort of federal green light to pool with other states.
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(g) Provide that any license to operate interstate interactive gaming does not become effective until:
(1) A federal law authorizing the specific type of interactive gaming for which the license was granted is enacted; or
(2) The United States Department of Justice notifies the Board or Commission in writing that it is permissible under federal law to operate the specific type of interactive gaming for which the license was granted.
They would obviously prefer number 1, but the DOJ clarification that the Interstate Wire Act only applies to sports betting satisfies number 2.

The real problem Nevada has, the reason the Governor is hesitant to launch before a Federal 'green light' is international law - the WTO.

Unlike sports betting where the liability for excluding out-of-state competition falls on the Feds because of the Wire Act, WTO members may challenge Nevada's law directly if they launch licensed commercial (non-lottery) online non-sports gambling.
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10-28-2012 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
They would obviously prefer number 1, but the DOJ clarification that the Interstate Wire Act only applies to sports betting satisfies number 2.

The real problem Nevada has, the reason the Governor is hesitant to launch before a Federal 'green light' is international law - the WTO.

Unlike sports betting where the liability for excluding out-of-state competition falls on the Feds because of the Wire Act, WTO members may challenge Nevada's law directly if they launch licensed commercial (non-lottery) online non-sports gambling.
FWIW, this year I have actually asked both the Chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission and the then Chairman of the GCB about particpating in player pools with foreign licensed operators, including affiliates of Nevad licensees. They clearly would prefer to see how the industry develops under current law.

As Nevada is not a party to the General Agreement on Tariffs or whatever it is called, how could Antigua challenge them directly ? Most likely, the challenge, if any, would be attached to the pending challenge regarding whether the US could have or did effectively withdraw gambling from WTO coverage going forward. (I forget when that challenge was brought.)

The point is that Nevada's Governor, a former Federal Judge, is not likely worried in the manner you claim.
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10-28-2012 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyQuixote
FWIW, this year I have actually asked both the Chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission and the then Chairman of the GCB about particpating in player pools with foreign licensed operators, including affiliates of Nevad licensees. They clearly would prefer to see how the industry develops under current law.

As Nevada is not a party to the General Agreement on Tariffs or whatever it is called, how could Antigua challenge them directly ? Most likely, the challenge, if any, would be attached to the pending challenge regarding whether the US could have or did effectively withdraw gambling from WTO coverage going forward. (I forget when that challenge was brought.)

The point is that Nevada's Governor, a former Federal Judge, is not likely worried in the manner you claim.
Antigua wouldn't challenge Nevada, they will challenge the US based on Nevada's protectionist law; the 2007 arbitration award was limited to Oregon's internet horseracing law, if/when other States launch commercial non-sports betting sites - with the Wire Act officially off the table - the Federal government could hold those States (possibly the public officials) liable for the next arbitration award (likely to be more than $21M of IP since Horseracing isn't even an area Antiqua could compete).

Oregon had cover in the authorization in the IHA, Governor Sandoval clearly wants some coverage for Nevada in the form of a law or specific written permission - he's indicated in public meetings that he doesn't even want to move forward with intranet without it - from the Federal government.
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